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I think it is completely reasonable to take the position that the law should be freely accessible to all, and also the process of providing it should not be in

I think it is completely reasonable to take the position that the law should be freely accessible to all, and also the process of providing it should not be in the hands of a private entity, or if it must be, that said entity cannot do things like be the exclusive provider, or charge egregiously for things like copies in a reasonable medium (e. g. paper or CD). It's not a "team" thing, and I reject wholly the implication that anyone opposed to this is just trying to score political points for their "team." Perhaps people twisting the narrative to "they won't let anyone read the laws!" are indeed politically motivated, but that's not what you or I are discussing here -- and even so, you need to assume good faith if you want a discussion. While it is reasonable for LexisNexis to be the official provider, it is not reasonable for them to abuse this privilege by charging silly amounts for certain kinds of access, and it is not reasonable for the state to sue to prevent others from distributing copies of what should by all rights be public domain and fully accessible material. Those problems are what's at issue here, not whether or not the state can hire a DB administrator.

jcizzle 10y ago
But it is freely available, I included the link.
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  Free as in "anyone can go to the URL," not free as in "free speech," and it makes a difference here. When I say free, I mean that the law is not a Disney movie. The state's interest is in enforcing it, not preventing people from copying it.
- dsp1234 10y ago
  freely available, if you agree to a non-government terms of service which: 1.) gives them right to force you to remove links to the content (section 6.b) 2.) gives them the right to advertise while showing you the law (section 8) 3.) does not require the provider to have accurate text, or be free from malware (section 11) 4.) requires indemnification (section 18) 5.) requires that the jurisdiction be New York (section 22) 6.) terms can change at any time, for any reason, without notice (section 26) 7.) cannot be used for commercial purposes (section 2.1) 8.) nor make a copy (section 2.1) It doesn't cost any money to access it online, but the limitations on actually using are very real. Want to provide a link to it via a blog to educate your local neighborhood? Want to know that the official law is free from errors? Want to use the law, but hold the provider accountable if the information is grossly incorrect? Want to sue the provider in Georgia since that's the official law? Want to know that the terms of service stay consistent from day to day? Want to use the law to help your business succeed? Want to provide a copy of the law to others so that they can educate themselves? All of those items are restricted in some way by these terms of service, which are required before access to the law is allowed.

jcizzle 10y ago

But it is freely available, I included the link.

ivraatiems 10y ago
Free as in "anyone can go to the URL," not free as in "free speech," and it makes a difference here. When I say free, I mean that the law is not a Disney movie. The state's interest is in enforcing it, not preventing people from copying it.
dsp1234 10y ago
freely available, if you agree to a non-government terms of service which: 1.) gives them right to force you to remove links to the content (section 6.b) 2.) gives them the right to advertise while showing you the law (section 8) 3.) does not require the provider to have accurate text, or be free from malware (section 11) 4.) requires indemnification (section 18) 5.) requires that the jurisdiction be New York (section 22) 6.) terms can change at any time, for any reason, without notice (section 26) 7.) cannot be used for commercial purposes (section 2.1) 8.) nor make a copy (section 2.1) It doesn't cost any money to access it online, but the limitations on actually using are very real. Want to provide a link to it via a blog to educate your local neighborhood? Want to know that the official law is free from errors? Want to use the law, but hold the provider accountable if the information is grossly incorrect? Want to sue the provider in Georgia since that's the official law? Want to know that the terms of service stay consistent from day to day? Want to use the law to help your business succeed? Want to provide a copy of the law to others so that they can educate themselves? All of those items are restricted in some way by these terms of service, which are required before access to the law is allowed.