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So their main generator is a standard hydro turbine, 100kW, and they have some wind/solar toys producing so little on average as to be just for show. And they

by fche 10y ago

So their main generator is a standard hydro turbine, 100kW, and they have some wind/solar toys producing so little on average as to be just for show. And they suffer rationing and higher-than-normal prices. This seems like a design anti-pattern.

pjc50 10y ago
Maybe you've missed that they're an island and this is the cheaper alternative to diesel? They've done this all with their own money, they're not a VC firm willing to make big investments "just for show".
- fche 10y ago
  > "The £1.66m project largely was financed by the European Union’s European Regional Development Fund," perhaps that explains the desirability of "for show" elements
  - vfclists 10y ago
    That is far less then the bonuses received by some individual bankers who only received them because their banks were bailed out by taxpayers, in the EU and elsewhere, which I presume includes some of the inhabitants of Eigg.
    - thecopy 10y ago
      Why is that revelant?
      - vfclists 10y ago
        Because egregious misuses of public funds don't get the attention they deserve. How does a subsidy of £1.66 million for an investment which serves a whole community compare with a single payment for the personal consumption of an individual who belongs to a group whose acts have resulted in economic depression for the last 10 years?
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    - JBReefer 10y ago
      I don't see how that's relevant. It's also less than some 1 bed apartments in London, and it's more than 4357 people in the Congo make in a year. It just seems like agenda pushing.
  - masklinn 10y ago
    Eh, that's not too bad considering the alternatives. I like the SMR concept, but sadly it's been very hard to find good cost estimates, the hardest one Akademik Lomonosov (still projected for ~$300M), but it's a barge with a pair of KLT-40, meanwhile mPower's been shuttered, etc…
masklinn 10y ago
Went in assuming it was almost all hydro, and no surprise. ~110kW hydro (a main generator at 100kW and two smaller ones at 5~6kW), 24kW worth of wind generally producing 12kW and 50kW worth of panels generally producing 5. Although they do note that the panels reach ~25% of rate (so ~12kW) in the summer months, when hydro would be at its lowest.
nikdaheratik 10y ago
The "toys" are what would drive any new growth in the system and to make up for the extra heating needs in the winter months. If the island had a larger source of hydro or geothermal, this wouldn't be much of a story, but the single source by itself isn't enough to meet all of the needs or they wouldn't have bothered to put them in place.

by fche 10y ago

pjc50 10y ago

Maybe you've missed that they're an island and this is the cheaper alternative to diesel? They've done this all with their own money, they're not a VC firm willing to make big investments "just for show".

fche 10y ago
> "The £1.66m project largely was financed by the European Union’s European Regional Development Fund," perhaps that explains the desirability of "for show" elements
- vfclists 10y ago
  That is far less then the bonuses received by some individual bankers who only received them because their banks were bailed out by taxpayers, in the EU and elsewhere, which I presume includes some of the inhabitants of Eigg.
  - thecopy 10y ago
    Why is that revelant?
    - vfclists 10y ago
      Because egregious misuses of public funds don't get the attention they deserve. How does a subsidy of £1.66 million for an investment which serves a whole community compare with a single payment for the personal consumption of an individual who belongs to a group whose acts have resulted in economic depression for the last 10 years?
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  - JBReefer 10y ago
    I don't see how that's relevant. It's also less than some 1 bed apartments in London, and it's more than 4357 people in the Congo make in a year. It just seems like agenda pushing.
- masklinn 10y ago
  Eh, that's not too bad considering the alternatives. I like the SMR concept, but sadly it's been very hard to find good cost estimates, the hardest one Akademik Lomonosov (still projected for ~$300M), but it's a barge with a pair of KLT-40, meanwhile mPower's been shuttered, etc…

masklinn 10y ago

Went in assuming it was almost all hydro, and no surprise. ~110kW hydro (a main generator at 100kW and two smaller ones at 5~6kW), 24kW worth of wind generally producing 12kW and 50kW worth of panels generally producing 5. Although they do note that the panels reach ~25% of rate (so ~12kW) in the summer months, when hydro would be at its lowest.

nikdaheratik 10y ago

The "toys" are what would drive any new growth in the system and to make up for the extra heating needs in the winter months. If the island had a larger source of hydro or geothermal, this wouldn't be much of a story, but the single source by itself isn't enough to meet all of the needs or they wouldn't have bothered to put them in place.