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I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service. Telegram is not too b

I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service. Telegram is not too bad but has too many grey areas at this moment.

maxerickson 10y ago
How do you ensure that the code you have access to is the code running on their servers? Having access to some source doesn't help with that. Unless you strictly use end to end, only after having verified the keys, you are trusting the server quite a lot.
- notspanishflu 10y ago
  Of course. That's part of the grey areas I mentioned.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    My question is how a source audit addresses the server trust issue...
    - mercer 10y ago
      It doesn't? Or at least I can't see how it would.
Derbasti 10y ago
Client and protocol are open source. What more do you need?
- notspanishflu 10y ago
  Reproducible builds, and deploying my own server.
  - lucb1e 10y ago
    And a believable business model would be cool.
- _jomo 10y ago
  They have stopped publishing the source code for their clients.
  - RubyPinch 10y ago
    They have? https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop seems fairly up to date?
    - r3bl 10y ago
      Latest commit on the Android version was six months ago: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram And yes, that's the official location of the Android app, linked here: https://telegram.org/apps https://telegram.org/apps
      - RubyPinch 10y ago
        it seems they are watching, they've uploaded the newer version
16 10y ago
Telegram has been around for three years now. I wouldn't hold my breath for open source servers/ability to run your own. That's not their business model.
- briandear 10y ago
  What IS their business model?
_jomo 10y ago
I think at this point it's quite clear they are not ever going to do that. They actually stopped publishing their client source code and they aren't responding to any questions about that.
- surye 10y ago
  https://twitter.com/durov/status/847454485882355713 https://twitter.com/durov/status/847454485882355713 > Definitely, updated source codes will be online later today. And the Desktop client[1] is kept very up to date. My biggest complaint is that they have stopped updating the API documentation [2] which has lead me to become a rather lukewarm telegram developer (though I still have a few projects I am work with) [1] https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop [2] https://core.telegram.org/#updates-log https://core.telegram.org/#updates-log
snvzz 10y ago
>I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. A bit too late, now that you're using as your main system.
- notspanishflu 10y ago
  I'm using an Ubuntu Phone and Telegram is the only native messaging service app in it. I'm using UP for a beta-testing purpose so no big deal.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    Really? I just get a white screen on mine. I see from reviews that others have the same problem. I've never looked into logs though, so a fix might be obvious
    - notspanishflu 10y ago
      Really. I got 99 ubuntu bugs but Telegram ain't one. Once in a while I got a blank screen opening Telegram, but closing it and open it again solves the problem. Are you running OTA-15?
      - CaptSpify 10y ago
        Yup, OTA-15. I've restarted it a few times, and it just gives me a white screen.
        notspanishflu 10y ago
        First check you're running the last Telegram version, that's 2.3.36.2 Second, have you tried to delete the cache (.cache/com.ubuntu.telegram)? That will erase your secret chats too, so you can make a copy before deleting it.
        CaptSpify 10y ago

maxerickson 10y ago

How do you ensure that the code you have access to is the code running on their servers? Having access to some source doesn't help with that. Unless you strictly use end to end, only after having verified the keys, you are trusting the server quite a lot.

notspanishflu 10y ago
Of course. That's part of the grey areas I mentioned.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  My question is how a source audit addresses the server trust issue...
  - mercer 10y ago
    It doesn't? Or at least I can't see how it would.

Derbasti 10y ago

Client and protocol are open source. What more do you need?

notspanishflu 10y ago
Reproducible builds, and deploying my own server.
- lucb1e 10y ago
  And a believable business model would be cool.
_jomo 10y ago
They have stopped publishing the source code for their clients.
- RubyPinch 10y ago
  They have? https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop seems fairly up to date?
  - r3bl 10y ago
    Latest commit on the Android version was six months ago: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram And yes, that's the official location of the Android app, linked here: https://telegram.org/apps https://telegram.org/apps
    - RubyPinch 10y ago
      it seems they are watching, they've uploaded the newer version

16 10y ago

Telegram has been around for three years now. I wouldn't hold my breath for open source servers/ability to run your own. That's not their business model.

briandear 10y ago
What IS their business model?

_jomo 10y ago

I think at this point it's quite clear they are not ever going to do that. They actually stopped publishing their client source code and they aren't responding to any questions about that.

surye 10y ago
https://twitter.com/durov/status/847454485882355713 https://twitter.com/durov/status/847454485882355713 > Definitely, updated source codes will be online later today. And the Desktop client[1] is kept very up to date. My biggest complaint is that they have stopped updating the API documentation [2] which has lead me to become a rather lukewarm telegram developer (though I still have a few projects I am work with) [1] https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop [2] https://core.telegram.org/#updates-log https://core.telegram.org/#updates-log

snvzz 10y ago

>I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. A bit too late, now that you're using as your main system.

notspanishflu 10y ago
I'm using an Ubuntu Phone and Telegram is the only native messaging service app in it. I'm using UP for a beta-testing purpose so no big deal.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  Really? I just get a white screen on mine. I see from reviews that others have the same problem. I've never looked into logs though, so a fix might be obvious
  - notspanishflu 10y ago
    Really. I got 99 ubuntu bugs but Telegram ain't one. Once in a while I got a blank screen opening Telegram, but closing it and open it again solves the problem. Are you running OTA-15?
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      Yup, OTA-15. I've restarted it a few times, and it just gives me a white screen.
      - notspanishflu 10y ago
        First check you're running the last Telegram version, that's 2.3.36.2 Second, have you tried to delete the cache (.cache/com.ubuntu.telegram)? That will erase your secret chats too, so you can make a copy before deleting it.
        CaptSpify 10y ago