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What could you possibly be doing that is so private on Disney premises and that makes you freak out about tracking? They know you're in the park, they might as

What could you possibly be doing that is so private on Disney premises and that makes you freak out about tracking? They know you're in the park, they might as well know when you're in the bathroom or eating lunch or taking a ride. It's not like they're tracking you after you leave (or are they?)...

M_Grey 10y ago
More importantly, they must be pretty aware of the fact that they'll be tracking minors, and all that entails. They know that their lifeblood is their reputation for being utterly family-friendly. At the end of the day, it's just... it's like complaining about being surveilled in a museum.
clouddrover 10y ago
> What could you possibly be doing that is so private on Disney premises and that makes you freak out about tracking? I think it's more the principle of the thing. Why would you want to be tagged and tracked like an animal? I wouldn't want to be. I agree with Edward Snowden: "When you say I don’t care about the right to privacy because I have nothing to hide, that is no different than saying I don’t care about freedom of speech because I have nothing to say or freedom of the press because I have nothing to write."
- wfunction 10y ago
  > Why would you want to be tagged and tracked like an animal? I wouldn't want to be. If that's how you think I should look at it, then, actually, yeah, I do. I have a huge problem with the way some animals are tagged and tracked, so if this bears any resemblance to it, it's only fair we go through it too. Not that it actually does, though.
  - clouddrover 10y ago
    You've got a huge problem with the way animals are tagged and tracked, but then conclude that people should also be tagged and tracked? That doesn't make any sense. If you've got a problem with it, why aren't you arguing for no tagging and tracking of animals and people?
  - wingerlang 10y ago
    > I have a huge problem with the way some animals are tagged and tracked What is the issue with this?
    - wfunction 10y ago
      >> I have a huge problem with the way some animals are tagged and tracked > What is the issue with this? Totally off-topic, not going to start a discussion on it, sorry.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  >Why would you want to be tagged and tracked like an animal? Because you're paying through the nose to go to Disney and hope they can use the data to improve the visit for the next time.
pdkl95 10y ago
This is how you normalize tracking. Disney itself is only a mild concern. The problem is that this conditions guests to believe it's normal and safe to carry around tracking devices that record a detailed history of your movements and activities. Even if Disney's tracking is limited only to (public) activities in their parks, the lesson they are teaching will encourage acceptance of other tracking devices that appear similar even if their actual function is different/unknown.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  ...We're all carrying around smartphones, surely that's how you "normalize tracking"?
  - pdkl95 10y ago
    > We're all carrying around smartphones No, we're not. They are popular, but that doesn't extrapolate to "all". > surely that's how you "normalize tracking"? Problems can occur in more than one situation. Also, while the actual tracking done by a cellphone is probably worse, many people still do not understand exactly what is being tracked. With Disney's device, tracking is the intended purpose, which may create a larger conditioning effect.
    - cookiecaper 10y ago
      MagicBands are a very handy convenience item. Tracking is not their sole purpose. Most guests are not aware that the bands act as transponders, though there are tiny informational signs posted around the property. MagicBands are also not mandatory, and in fact, cost extra for day guests (they are included if you book a hotel room or get an annual pass).

M_Grey 10y ago

More importantly, they must be pretty aware of the fact that they'll be tracking minors, and all that entails. They know that their lifeblood is their reputation for being utterly family-friendly. At the end of the day, it's just... it's like complaining about being surveilled in a museum.

clouddrover 10y ago

> What could you possibly be doing that is so private on Disney premises and that makes you freak out about tracking? I think it's more the principle of the thing. Why would you want to be tagged and tracked like an animal? I wouldn't want to be. I agree with Edward Snowden: "When you say I don’t care about the right to privacy because I have nothing to hide, that is no different than saying I don’t care about freedom of speech because I have nothing to say or freedom of the press because I have nothing to write."

wfunction 10y ago
> Why would you want to be tagged and tracked like an animal? I wouldn't want to be. If that's how you think I should look at it, then, actually, yeah, I do. I have a huge problem with the way some animals are tagged and tracked, so if this bears any resemblance to it, it's only fair we go through it too. Not that it actually does, though.
- clouddrover 10y ago
  You've got a huge problem with the way animals are tagged and tracked, but then conclude that people should also be tagged and tracked? That doesn't make any sense. If you've got a problem with it, why aren't you arguing for no tagging and tracking of animals and people?
- wingerlang 10y ago
  > I have a huge problem with the way some animals are tagged and tracked What is the issue with this?
  - wfunction 10y ago
    >> I have a huge problem with the way some animals are tagged and tracked > What is the issue with this? Totally off-topic, not going to start a discussion on it, sorry.
cookiecaper 10y ago
>Why would you want to be tagged and tracked like an animal? Because you're paying through the nose to go to Disney and hope they can use the data to improve the visit for the next time.

pdkl95 10y ago

This is how you normalize tracking. Disney itself is only a mild concern. The problem is that this conditions guests to believe it's normal and safe to carry around tracking devices that record a detailed history of your movements and activities. Even if Disney's tracking is limited only to (public) activities in their parks, the lesson they are teaching will encourage acceptance of other tracking devices that appear similar even if their actual function is different/unknown.

M_Grey 10y ago
...We're all carrying around smartphones, surely that's how you "normalize tracking"?
- pdkl95 10y ago
  > We're all carrying around smartphones No, we're not. They are popular, but that doesn't extrapolate to "all". > surely that's how you "normalize tracking"? Problems can occur in more than one situation. Also, while the actual tracking done by a cellphone is probably worse, many people still do not understand exactly what is being tracked. With Disney's device, tracking is the intended purpose, which may create a larger conditioning effect.
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    MagicBands are a very handy convenience item. Tracking is not their sole purpose. Most guests are not aware that the bands act as transponders, though there are tiny informational signs posted around the property. MagicBands are also not mandatory, and in fact, cost extra for day guests (they are included if you book a hotel room or get an annual pass).