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Unless Putin is on this list I doubt its veracity.

by webkike 10y ago

samstave 10y ago
maybe they dont count corruption?
- zzzeek 10y ago
  maybe they should.
  - astrodust 10y ago
    When you're embezzling money the last thing you want is to reveal enough information about your stash to show up on these lists. Saddam Hussein obviously had tons of liquid assets but the totality of them was never truly known. It was all squirreled away, and likely stolen by the caretakers when his regime imploded and the threat of retribution was removed. How much did Pablo Esbobar have at his peak? We can only guess, but given the staggering cash-flow rate of an estimated $500 million per week, perhaps as much as $30 billion. This is 1980s dollars, too. Adjusted for inflation that's absolutely nuts.
    - samstave 10y ago
      in the /r/conspiracy realm - it is widely believed that the reason for Gaddafi's execution was to go after the billions he had - and to take him down. The idea is that the Benghazi fiasco was let loose by the state dept so that HRC could loot Libya... its not provable - but the fact is that Gaddafi was one of the worlds richest ppl - and the rumor is that HRC and cabal stole all his loot. He was worth a reportable 70 billion.... and unknown amount off-books... He was murdered for his money. And anyone who says that is not true is fucking clueless about what the fuck is actually happening in this world at that level. http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39742ed39a0/ http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39...
      - openasocket 10y ago
        OK, I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but this is just crazy. So, in your scenario, HRC wants Gaddafi's money. So she orchestrates an attack on a US embassy nearly a year after he died, as a false flag operation. And then we sent people in get the money. Of course, officially we didn't send anyone in Libya in response to the attacks except some more marines to guard the embassy, so this group that went in to get the money did so secretly. But then why did they need to orchestrate the attack on the embassy? Why not just send spies in under cover? Also, where is the money in scenario? Is there some big fucking safe filled with gold bars in his palace that none of the militants have touched in that last year? Oh, also you don't think Gaddafi's execution had anything to do with a prolonged civil war and numerous human rights violations? Or did Clinton also invent the Arab Spring and force Gaddafi to be a brutal dictator for decades?
        samstave 10y ago
        OK, first, I am not trolling - and I didn't state that this was my belief per-se... I do find all the Benghazi BS to be super weird - but thats just me without all the facts... However, it is a documentable fact that Gaddafi may have been the richest documentable person (clearly we are ignoring the Rothschilds etc...) in the world... He had vast assets and liquid cash all over the place. This is known - so do not accuse me of trolling on facts... Further, it is known that HRC is a corrupt person (proven via her emails and many many other resources -- if you are unaware of this, then you're simply unaware and I am not trolling) I said that it is RUMORED to have been financial motivation to go after Gaddafi... did you ever see the list of countries that Clark said the .gov was going to go after? Libya was on that list... now, I shall admit my ignorance - as I am not entirely familiar with the libyan civil war, but I know my CIA history a fair bit... arab spring was an op. to foment a varied amount of things... civil wars here, uprisings there, extremests wherever... and change all over. I never said Gaddafi was some benevolent anything -- I said he was sought for his money and executed CIA fashion. so.. let me ask you: What happened to all the 70+++ billion dollars Gaddafi had? He was killed - what happened to his wealth? I know that you have no fucking clue. So... what is your speculation? Where did his funds go? http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39742ed39a0/ http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39...
- danielpatrick 10y ago
  evidently they already are... ;)
- ScalaNovice 10y ago
  Oh samstave the omniscient, Can you please tell us which other people are billionaires? OR Are you trusting the same publications that George W Bush and republicans turned into paid propaganda to say that Iraq as Le weaponzzz of mass destruction? Remember NYT, WaPo, CNN were the major trusted news orgs that GOP bought.
jjeaff 10y ago
Usually they have other lists that include illegitimate wealth like drug dealers or royal families or corrupt politicians.
- r00fus 10y ago
  Where do I find such a list?
nkozyra 10y ago
It's a lot harder to quantify or accurately estimate his wealth. Most of the numbers usually associated with Putin are anecdotal.

Unless Putin is on this list I doubt its veracity.

by webkike 10y ago

Unless Putin is on this list I doubt its veracity.

samstave 10y ago

maybe they dont count corruption?

zzzeek 10y ago
maybe they should.
- astrodust 10y ago
  When you're embezzling money the last thing you want is to reveal enough information about your stash to show up on these lists. Saddam Hussein obviously had tons of liquid assets but the totality of them was never truly known. It was all squirreled away, and likely stolen by the caretakers when his regime imploded and the threat of retribution was removed. How much did Pablo Esbobar have at his peak? We can only guess, but given the staggering cash-flow rate of an estimated $500 million per week, perhaps as much as $30 billion. This is 1980s dollars, too. Adjusted for inflation that's absolutely nuts.
  - samstave 10y ago
    in the /r/conspiracy realm - it is widely believed that the reason for Gaddafi's execution was to go after the billions he had - and to take him down. The idea is that the Benghazi fiasco was let loose by the state dept so that HRC could loot Libya... its not provable - but the fact is that Gaddafi was one of the worlds richest ppl - and the rumor is that HRC and cabal stole all his loot. He was worth a reportable 70 billion.... and unknown amount off-books... He was murdered for his money. And anyone who says that is not true is fucking clueless about what the fuck is actually happening in this world at that level. http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39742ed39a0/ http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39...
    - openasocket 10y ago
      OK, I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but this is just crazy. So, in your scenario, HRC wants Gaddafi's money. So she orchestrates an attack on a US embassy nearly a year after he died, as a false flag operation. And then we sent people in get the money. Of course, officially we didn't send anyone in Libya in response to the attacks except some more marines to guard the embassy, so this group that went in to get the money did so secretly. But then why did they need to orchestrate the attack on the embassy? Why not just send spies in under cover? Also, where is the money in scenario? Is there some big fucking safe filled with gold bars in his palace that none of the militants have touched in that last year? Oh, also you don't think Gaddafi's execution had anything to do with a prolonged civil war and numerous human rights violations? Or did Clinton also invent the Arab Spring and force Gaddafi to be a brutal dictator for decades?
      - samstave 10y ago
        OK, first, I am not trolling - and I didn't state that this was my belief per-se... I do find all the Benghazi BS to be super weird - but thats just me without all the facts... However, it is a documentable fact that Gaddafi may have been the richest documentable person (clearly we are ignoring the Rothschilds etc...) in the world... He had vast assets and liquid cash all over the place. This is known - so do not accuse me of trolling on facts... Further, it is known that HRC is a corrupt person (proven via her emails and many many other resources -- if you are unaware of this, then you're simply unaware and I am not trolling) I said that it is RUMORED to have been financial motivation to go after Gaddafi... did you ever see the list of countries that Clark said the .gov was going to go after? Libya was on that list... now, I shall admit my ignorance - as I am not entirely familiar with the libyan civil war, but I know my CIA history a fair bit... arab spring was an op. to foment a varied amount of things... civil wars here, uprisings there, extremests wherever... and change all over. I never said Gaddafi was some benevolent anything -- I said he was sought for his money and executed CIA fashion. so.. let me ask you: What happened to all the 70+++ billion dollars Gaddafi had? He was killed - what happened to his wealth? I know that you have no fucking clue. So... what is your speculation? Where did his funds go? http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39742ed39a0/ http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/573aeac75632a39...
danielpatrick 10y ago
evidently they already are... ;)
ScalaNovice 10y ago
Oh samstave the omniscient, Can you please tell us which other people are billionaires? OR Are you trusting the same publications that George W Bush and republicans turned into paid propaganda to say that Iraq as Le weaponzzz of mass destruction? Remember NYT, WaPo, CNN were the major trusted news orgs that GOP bought.

jjeaff 10y ago

Usually they have other lists that include illegitimate wealth like drug dealers or royal families or corrupt politicians.

r00fus 10y ago
Where do I find such a list?

nkozyra 10y ago

It's a lot harder to quantify or accurately estimate his wealth. Most of the numbers usually associated with Putin are anecdotal.