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Fair enough, but you have to understand that your chicken operation is the exception and not the rule, right? Factory-farmed chickens do not get to go outside,

by matty22 10y ago

Fair enough, but you have to understand that your chicken operation is the exception and not the rule, right? Factory-farmed chickens do not get to go outside, enjoy the sunshine, and eat bugs. They live in cramped chicken houses devoid of light, fresh air, or anything remotely resembling your beautiful sounding farm. The vast, vast majority of chicken purchased in a grocery store lives out their life in that second situation, not in a place like your farm.

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For what it's worth, my place is not a farm and not particularly beautiful, but I do have a pasture and keep chickens. On to my real response: my "exception" invalidates your argument wrt whether or not animals should be raised for consumption and have their lives cut short, which you said was an "obvious answer." I think most people agree that it's okay, so long as the animal is allowed to have a normal, fulfilling existence. We love our chickens and take no pleasure in butchering them, but I feel certain they are happy to get a shot at life, even if for some of them that life is only a year or two. I've had a minute now to think about your "obvious answer" from up-thread. I had a lot of fun by the time I was 6 years old. Experienced a lot of love, caught a lot of fish, explored a big world, rode my bike on dirt roads. I knew where "deer road" was, I knew how to sneak up on the bridge there and spy on the turtles. A couple of those years just might have been my best. I don't think I can agree with you. Anyway, if we pose the question as "is it okay to raise animals for consumption? animals that wouldn't have had a life otherwise?", I think the answer is something like "Yes, if we treat them well." So the answer isn't (necessarily) to become a vegan. A perfectly viable option is to source your meat differently.

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Fair enough, but you have to understand that your chicken operation is the exception and not the rule, right? Factory-farmed chickens do not get to go outside,

by matty22 10y ago

mod 10y ago
For what it's worth, my place is not a farm and not particularly beautiful, but I do have a pasture and keep chickens. On to my real response: my "exception" invalidates your argument wrt whether or not animals should be raised for consumption and have their lives cut short, which you said was an "obvious answer." I think most people agree that it's okay, so long as the animal is allowed to have a normal, fulfilling existence. We love our chickens and take no pleasure in butchering them, but I feel certain they are happy to get a shot at life, even if for some of them that life is only a year or two. I've had a minute now to think about your "obvious answer" from up-thread. I had a lot of fun by the time I was 6 years old. Experienced a lot of love, caught a lot of fish, explored a big world, rode my bike on dirt roads. I knew where "deer road" was, I knew how to sneak up on the bridge there and spy on the turtles. A couple of those years just might have been my best. I don't think I can agree with you. Anyway, if we pose the question as "is it okay to raise animals for consumption? animals that wouldn't have had a life otherwise?", I think the answer is something like "Yes, if we treat them well." So the answer isn't (necessarily) to become a vegan. A perfectly viable option is to source your meat differently.