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The only thing is, I shouldn't have to pay for a VPN to continue enjoying some measure of privacy when I'm paying for the ISP's service. This is just some MBA'

The only thing is, I shouldn't have to pay for a VPN to continue enjoying some measure of privacy when I'm paying for the ISP's service. This is just some MBA's "great idea" to "leverage previously untapped revenue sources" rather than a real need by struggling firms grasping at any life-line. It's disgusting, and I'm disgusted (_yet again_) by the mercenary Republican Party. They are declaring war on me and my loved ones and the vast majority of our fellow Americans and anyone else unfortunate to have to use an internet connection in the US (and live under the rest of their insane policies). For the record, I signed up for a personal VPN two weeks ago because this anti-consumer outcome was assured with the current party in power in the US.

gricardo99 10y ago
Just curious, what VPN provider did you go with? Are you happy with it so far? Any helpful links that compare/review VPN services?
- msh 10y ago
  I am very happy with f secure freedome. Good speeds (mostly able to give me at least 30-40 megabit) and reputable company that provides decent support. I have been a customer for a few years.
- wavefunction 10y ago
  I went with Private Internet Access[0] I found this comparison matrix[1] which provided me the info I needed to identify a few services to compare. I'm really just looking to keep my ISP from snooping on my traffic, so my criteria are pretty limited and I just wanted something quick. I don't plan to watch Netflix with it for example, which might have pushed me to a service that would allow me to select specific servers for traffic egress. I have no complaints [0]https://www.privateinternetaccess.com https://www.privateinternetaccess.com
  - lolsal 10y ago
    I think you forgot to provide your reference for [1].
  - lightbyte 10y ago
    I also went with Private Internet Access, but I'm not sure what you mean by >I don't plan to watch Netflix with it for example, which might have pushed me to a service that would allow me to select specific servers for traffic egress. PIA has servers in many different countries that you could switch to, does that not that fulfill this?
newsat13 10y ago
> It's disgusting, and I'm disgusted (_yet again_) by the mercenary Republican Party Stop this BS. The democratic party has done pretty much similar bad things that violate our privacy. Are you just good at selectively ignoring things? This is really the fact that every US govt is not for personal data privacy. You have to just accept it (if you are an american).
- awinder 10y ago
  On this specific issue, it was the Obama FCC that made sure that ISPs couldn't sell this data, and it's the republican congress & president that rolled it back. So it's a pretty fair issue to point this difference out with. It's also a good concrete issue to use in understanding that while arguments like "Democrats Do Bad Stuff Too So IDK Apathy" may be persuasive to some people in justifying not voting, it's ultimately not true. If this issue matters to you, there was a ballot box solution to preventing it. Not enough people used it.
- eduren 10y ago
  While I'm usually all for bashing both sides, does it really apply in this case? The bill in question repeals rules set out by the FCC under the Obama administration. Those rules were a proactive measure that increased privacy from ISP monopoly overreach. If this recent attack on privacy is something both sides support (as you seem to claim), why did the Obama administration set out those rules? And why did the Democrats in Congress not vote for this repeal?
  - masonic 10y ago
    Those rules were a proactive measure Were? Obama's rules affected by this legislation wouldn't have taken effect until next December at the earliest. It was an Obama administration screwup that opened this privacy hole in 2015, and it's been there ever since. Why is the outrage only popping up now? The ISPs have almost 2 years' worth of data already.
- zyxzkz 10y ago
  No, you're absolutely wrong. Look at the vote. Don't bring that weak Whataboutism here.
dkhenry 10y ago
Why not? for every other service you use online this measure of privacy doesn't exist and no one seemed to care about it. When services came along that advertised a measure of privacy they were not inundated with business turning them into titans of industry. If when given the option you don't use services that keep your data private, why is this a big deal to you when yet another service you use sells your data? If you want privacy you either need to shop for services that provider it, or like this article states, take measure to ensure some level of privacy.
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wonder_er 10y ago
it's not a republican/democratic split. Both parties are working together to screw over you and your loved ones. Its a "has power" vs "doesn't have power" split. The Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans. Don't give either party a pass.
- eduren 10y ago
  >The Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans A Democratic president put these protections in place.
  - wonder_er 10y ago
    Ah, yes, president obama, advocate of the privacy rights of individuals world-wide. He expanded the powers of the NSA because he could, or had to, or whatever. I struggle to imagine that he then turned around and used the FCC to push meaningful reform along for his citizens. I think the burden of proof is on you to show that his track record with government spying should be ignored when thinking about his track record with FCC/consumer protections.
    - yuhong 10y ago
      I think the more important person here is Tom Wheeler, who led the FCC during the period.
    - lcfcjs 10y ago
      This isn't about expansion of the NSA, it's about this bill in particular.
    - funkymike 10y ago
      Both of those are consistent in one respect, that they both expand executive power. A group with power consistently seeks to increase that power. The FCC wants power, the NSA wants power.
- jish 10y ago
  > "it's not a republican/democratic split." The vote count sure looked like it to me. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2017/h202#admin_panel https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2017/h202#admin_p... Yea 215 (Republican 215, Democrat 0) Nay 205 (Republican 15, Democrat 190)

gricardo99 10y ago

Just curious, what VPN provider did you go with? Are you happy with it so far? Any helpful links that compare/review VPN services?

msh 10y ago
I am very happy with f secure freedome. Good speeds (mostly able to give me at least 30-40 megabit) and reputable company that provides decent support. I have been a customer for a few years.
wavefunction 10y ago
I went with Private Internet Access[0] I found this comparison matrix[1] which provided me the info I needed to identify a few services to compare. I'm really just looking to keep my ISP from snooping on my traffic, so my criteria are pretty limited and I just wanted something quick. I don't plan to watch Netflix with it for example, which might have pushed me to a service that would allow me to select specific servers for traffic egress. I have no complaints [0]https://www.privateinternetaccess.com https://www.privateinternetaccess.com
- lolsal 10y ago
  I think you forgot to provide your reference for [1].
- lightbyte 10y ago
  I also went with Private Internet Access, but I'm not sure what you mean by >I don't plan to watch Netflix with it for example, which might have pushed me to a service that would allow me to select specific servers for traffic egress. PIA has servers in many different countries that you could switch to, does that not that fulfill this?

newsat13 10y ago

> It's disgusting, and I'm disgusted (_yet again_) by the mercenary Republican Party Stop this BS. The democratic party has done pretty much similar bad things that violate our privacy. Are you just good at selectively ignoring things? This is really the fact that every US govt is not for personal data privacy. You have to just accept it (if you are an american).

awinder 10y ago
On this specific issue, it was the Obama FCC that made sure that ISPs couldn't sell this data, and it's the republican congress & president that rolled it back. So it's a pretty fair issue to point this difference out with. It's also a good concrete issue to use in understanding that while arguments like "Democrats Do Bad Stuff Too So IDK Apathy" may be persuasive to some people in justifying not voting, it's ultimately not true. If this issue matters to you, there was a ballot box solution to preventing it. Not enough people used it.
eduren 10y ago
While I'm usually all for bashing both sides, does it really apply in this case? The bill in question repeals rules set out by the FCC under the Obama administration. Those rules were a proactive measure that increased privacy from ISP monopoly overreach. If this recent attack on privacy is something both sides support (as you seem to claim), why did the Obama administration set out those rules? And why did the Democrats in Congress not vote for this repeal?
- masonic 10y ago
  Those rules were a proactive measure Were? Obama's rules affected by this legislation wouldn't have taken effect until next December at the earliest. It was an Obama administration screwup that opened this privacy hole in 2015, and it's been there ever since. Why is the outrage only popping up now? The ISPs have almost 2 years' worth of data already.
zyxzkz 10y ago
No, you're absolutely wrong. Look at the vote. Don't bring that weak Whataboutism here.

dkhenry 10y ago

Why not? for every other service you use online this measure of privacy doesn't exist and no one seemed to care about it. When services came along that advertised a measure of privacy they were not inundated with business turning them into titans of industry. If when given the option you don't use services that keep your data private, why is this a big deal to you when yet another service you use sells your data? If you want privacy you either need to shop for services that provider it, or like this article states, take measure to ensure some level of privacy.

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wonder_er 10y ago

it's not a republican/democratic split. Both parties are working together to screw over you and your loved ones. Its a "has power" vs "doesn't have power" split. The Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans. Don't give either party a pass.

eduren 10y ago
>The Democrats are just as culpable as Republicans A Democratic president put these protections in place.
- wonder_er 10y ago
  Ah, yes, president obama, advocate of the privacy rights of individuals world-wide. He expanded the powers of the NSA because he could, or had to, or whatever. I struggle to imagine that he then turned around and used the FCC to push meaningful reform along for his citizens. I think the burden of proof is on you to show that his track record with government spying should be ignored when thinking about his track record with FCC/consumer protections.
  - yuhong 10y ago
    I think the more important person here is Tom Wheeler, who led the FCC during the period.
  - lcfcjs 10y ago
    This isn't about expansion of the NSA, it's about this bill in particular.
  - funkymike 10y ago
    Both of those are consistent in one respect, that they both expand executive power. A group with power consistently seeks to increase that power. The FCC wants power, the NSA wants power.
jish 10y ago
> "it's not a republican/democratic split." The vote count sure looked like it to me. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2017/h202#admin_panel https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2017/h202#admin_p... Yea 215 (Republican 215, Democrat 0) Nay 205 (Republican 15, Democrat 190)