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The legal side of it is very important but I don't think it's some fixed position that can't ever change. It's something to engage with and work with. If it was

The legal side of it is very important but I don't think it's some fixed position that can't ever change. It's something to engage with and work with. If it was easy...it probably would have been done. It's not tied to their work specifically, but it is some sort of arrangement where it is to some extent conditional upon their needs, wants and behaviour. It's a multifaceted suitability assessment, where the people we would help still maintain autonomy over what they get -- not like they are just applying to some large bureaucracy hoping to win a lottery.

sigstoat 10y ago
> It's not tied to their work specifically, but it is some sort of arrangement where it is to some extent conditional upon their needs the irs is going to see employees, subject to all the normal rules, and the city is going to see weird mixed commercial/residential property with strange density, and get all up in a fit. don't get me wrong, i'd like to see you succeed, and i think the world needs some similar things, up and down the scale of a person's ability to handle the world. but there's a whole lot of bureaucracy that doesn't already have a form for what you want to do, and so will oppose it simply out of reflex. (which is why i think your legal bills will be significant)
- 19eightyfour 10y ago
  Legal is really important and I agree it might be a big cost. I don't see it as something regrettable I see it as setting up the legal is setting up the necessary compliance and policy infrastructure for something like this to be sustainable in a legal sense. I don't have any experience in this but I think there must be ways of presenting it where decision makers see this is as something desirable or are motivated to see the experiment take place. That might involve judiciously selecting a particular jurisdiction to launch something like this in at first. Or organizing for working in an area where we already have existing contacts with decision makers. Or finding some way to structure these things where legal is not the major obstacle so a creative way to fit into an existing category of something legitimate.

sigstoat 10y ago

> It's not tied to their work specifically, but it is some sort of arrangement where it is to some extent conditional upon their needs the irs is going to see employees, subject to all the normal rules, and the city is going to see weird mixed commercial/residential property with strange density, and get all up in a fit. don't get me wrong, i'd like to see you succeed, and i think the world needs some similar things, up and down the scale of a person's ability to handle the world. but there's a whole lot of bureaucracy that doesn't already have a form for what you want to do, and so will oppose it simply out of reflex. (which is why i think your legal bills will be significant)

19eightyfour 10y ago
Legal is really important and I agree it might be a big cost. I don't see it as something regrettable I see it as setting up the legal is setting up the necessary compliance and policy infrastructure for something like this to be sustainable in a legal sense. I don't have any experience in this but I think there must be ways of presenting it where decision makers see this is as something desirable or are motivated to see the experiment take place. That might involve judiciously selecting a particular jurisdiction to launch something like this in at first. Or organizing for working in an area where we already have existing contacts with decision makers. Or finding some way to structure these things where legal is not the major obstacle so a creative way to fit into an existing category of something legitimate.