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It's definitely too popular to blame everything on middle-aged white guys. It's sad that even bloomberg is jumping on the bandwagon.

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eightysixfour 10y ago
It is a money issue - it is cheap and effective but needs clinical trials and potentially cuts recurring revenue from women's birth control options.
- cheez 10y ago
  After reading the article, I agree. The shaming is just how they're trying to get Big Pharma to take it up, but you cannot convince someone to reduce their salary willingly.
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smanatstpete 10y ago
Are you sure you are commenting on the correct article?
- TheAdamAndChe 10y ago
  Yes - from the article: "The fact that the big companies are run by white, middle-aged males who have the same feeling—that they would never do it—plays a major role"
  - jlebrech 10y ago
    this seems like yet another bash at the white male, but if you think of it there's already vasectomies and if you're rich you'll have a few children followed by a vasectomy. this is for the poorer individual that doesn't want the burden but might want to reverse it, which is more appealing to the non-rich-guy. and maybe in india* you can still be seen a virile as it's reversible. *i don't know about indian culture.
    - AnkhMorporkian 10y ago
      I don't know, the assertion in the article makes little sense. The white part shouldn't play any role at all in this; easily reversible male contraception has been a dream of many for a long time. These companies want to maximize profits, and it's obvious that they aren't limiting their products and procedures to what they as middle-aged men would want. If they were, there'd be no products or procedures for women. I think it's far more likely that these companies don't want to fund trials as it won't be nearly as profitable to them as current contraceptive options. If this was a pill instead, I have no doubt that the companies would champ at the bit for it. I think it's not coincidence that they could only find a non-profit to fund the trials for this specific product/procedure.
      - jlebrech 10y ago
        yes, i think whiteness is purely incidental. it's just another not-all-statement.
foepys 10y ago
It doesn't even make sense. Women have the possibility to abort a pregnancy while men have no say whatsoever (in regions where the big pharma companies are coming from). So the argument that women would do more for male birth control is somewhat strange considering they have all the power in their hands right now.
- colanderman 10y ago
  That's adversarial thinking. If the man and woman are in a trusting relationship, the question changes from one of "power" to responsibility. Today, most reversible contraceptive methods (pill, rhythm, IUD, abortion) rely on the woman owning responsibility (one which they may be unwilling or unable to carry out). Male contraception relieves women of that burden.
  - adrianN 10y ago
    > If the man and woman are in a trusting relationship That's the problem right there...
  - xutopia 10y ago
    A lot of sex happens outside of trusting relationships. The woman with whom I lost my virginity tried to trick me into being the father for a child that wasn't mine. It most likely isn't representative but as a polyamorous man, with financial stability, I can assure you that a lot of women I've met would gladly have an "accident" with me. I sleep easier knowing I had a vasectomy.
    - colanderman 10y ago
      I don't deny that, but the majority of women are not so manipulative. The GP's blanket claim "the argument that women would do more for male birth control is somewhat strange" would assume that the majority of women are so immoral. They most certainly are not.
  - chongli 10y ago
    Male contraception relieves women of that burden You would think so, but... there are women (maybe a lot of them) who think the loss of power over conception would be bad for women [0]. Read the column. I don't know about you, but it gives me a very queasy feeling. Like there is some subtext that this woman believes she should be able to force parenthood on an unwilling partner. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/apr/28/malepillwomensloss https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/apr/28/malepi...
meri_dian 10y ago
I can understand how executives being male may impact decisions to pursue male contraceptives but the white part is really irrelevant and unnecessary

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eightysixfour 10y ago

It is a money issue - it is cheap and effective but needs clinical trials and potentially cuts recurring revenue from women's birth control options.

cheez 10y ago
After reading the article, I agree. The shaming is just how they're trying to get Big Pharma to take it up, but you cannot convince someone to reduce their salary willingly.

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smanatstpete 10y ago

Are you sure you are commenting on the correct article?

TheAdamAndChe 10y ago
Yes - from the article: "The fact that the big companies are run by white, middle-aged males who have the same feeling—that they would never do it—plays a major role"
- jlebrech 10y ago
  this seems like yet another bash at the white male, but if you think of it there's already vasectomies and if you're rich you'll have a few children followed by a vasectomy. this is for the poorer individual that doesn't want the burden but might want to reverse it, which is more appealing to the non-rich-guy. and maybe in india* you can still be seen a virile as it's reversible. *i don't know about indian culture.
  - AnkhMorporkian 10y ago
    I don't know, the assertion in the article makes little sense. The white part shouldn't play any role at all in this; easily reversible male contraception has been a dream of many for a long time. These companies want to maximize profits, and it's obvious that they aren't limiting their products and procedures to what they as middle-aged men would want. If they were, there'd be no products or procedures for women. I think it's far more likely that these companies don't want to fund trials as it won't be nearly as profitable to them as current contraceptive options. If this was a pill instead, I have no doubt that the companies would champ at the bit for it. I think it's not coincidence that they could only find a non-profit to fund the trials for this specific product/procedure.
    - jlebrech 10y ago
      yes, i think whiteness is purely incidental. it's just another not-all-statement.

foepys 10y ago

It doesn't even make sense. Women have the possibility to abort a pregnancy while men have no say whatsoever (in regions where the big pharma companies are coming from). So the argument that women would do more for male birth control is somewhat strange considering they have all the power in their hands right now.

colanderman 10y ago
That's adversarial thinking. If the man and woman are in a trusting relationship, the question changes from one of "power" to responsibility. Today, most reversible contraceptive methods (pill, rhythm, IUD, abortion) rely on the woman owning responsibility (one which they may be unwilling or unable to carry out). Male contraception relieves women of that burden.
- adrianN 10y ago
  > If the man and woman are in a trusting relationship That's the problem right there...
- xutopia 10y ago
  A lot of sex happens outside of trusting relationships. The woman with whom I lost my virginity tried to trick me into being the father for a child that wasn't mine. It most likely isn't representative but as a polyamorous man, with financial stability, I can assure you that a lot of women I've met would gladly have an "accident" with me. I sleep easier knowing I had a vasectomy.
  - colanderman 10y ago
    I don't deny that, but the majority of women are not so manipulative. The GP's blanket claim "the argument that women would do more for male birth control is somewhat strange" would assume that the majority of women are so immoral. They most certainly are not.
- chongli 10y ago
  Male contraception relieves women of that burden You would think so, but... there are women (maybe a lot of them) who think the loss of power over conception would be bad for women [0]. Read the column. I don't know about you, but it gives me a very queasy feeling. Like there is some subtext that this woman believes she should be able to force parenthood on an unwilling partner. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/apr/28/malepillwomensloss https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/apr/28/malepi...

meri_dian 10y ago

I can understand how executives being male may impact decisions to pursue male contraceptives but the white part is really irrelevant and unnecessary