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Would this be the same EU that wasn't founded for another 13 years? While we're putting forward spurious facts not a single non-EU country aided the UK.

OJFord 10y ago
> Would this be the same EU that wasn't founded for another 13 years? Yes; the same one, too, that grew out of the EEC founded 35 years prior.
- lhopki01 10y ago
  So your argument is that the Economic body that was the EEC was supposed to help the UK fight a war half a world away because.....reasons?
  - OJFord 10y ago
    I haven't said anything of the sort; I don't have enough knowledge of the period to comfortably comment on it. I only commented above to explain why, it seemed, you were disagreeing on whether the multi-European-country group existed before the Falklands conflict. Highlighting the Economic in EEC hardly seems relevant either, seeing as the EU is basically just MaastrichtTreaty(EEC) - a treaty which insofar I'm aware makes no mention of supporting member states' wars, "because.....reasons" or otherwise.
    - lhopki01 10y ago
      Since the founding of the EU there have been several steps towards common military work. In the mid 2000s EU battlegroups were created. In 2009 SAFE laid the foundations for a EU military. Since then EU forces have been involved in peacekeeping missions. The EEC was very much just an economic body. Since then the EU has been taking steps in multiple areas beyond just it's initial economic competencies.
smackay 10y ago
Not true. Chile was a vital ally, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10947350/Without-Chiles-help-we-would-have-lost-the-Falklands.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falkl... The United States secretly provided satellite imagery and telecommunications during the conflict but was careful to project a neutral stance in public. Also France was perhaps ambivalent about the conflict, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatchers-blistering-attack-on-French-over-Exocets-during-Falklands.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatc... Certainly support from EU countries was not easily visible. Sorry for the links from the Telegraph since there a clear source of bias there but there are plenty of other references which can back these up.
- lhopki01 10y ago
  That link showed that France did help the UK. Also they provided ports in West Africa for UK ships as well as details of all the weapon systems sold to the Argentinians. At least as much help as the Chileans.

OJFord 10y ago

> Would this be the same EU that wasn't founded for another 13 years? Yes; the same one, too, that grew out of the EEC founded 35 years prior.

lhopki01 10y ago
So your argument is that the Economic body that was the EEC was supposed to help the UK fight a war half a world away because.....reasons?
- OJFord 10y ago
  I haven't said anything of the sort; I don't have enough knowledge of the period to comfortably comment on it. I only commented above to explain why, it seemed, you were disagreeing on whether the multi-European-country group existed before the Falklands conflict. Highlighting the Economic in EEC hardly seems relevant either, seeing as the EU is basically just MaastrichtTreaty(EEC) - a treaty which insofar I'm aware makes no mention of supporting member states' wars, "because.....reasons" or otherwise.
  - lhopki01 10y ago
    Since the founding of the EU there have been several steps towards common military work. In the mid 2000s EU battlegroups were created. In 2009 SAFE laid the foundations for a EU military. Since then EU forces have been involved in peacekeeping missions. The EEC was very much just an economic body. Since then the EU has been taking steps in multiple areas beyond just it's initial economic competencies.

smackay 10y ago

Not true. Chile was a vital ally, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10947350/Without-Chiles-help-we-would-have-lost-the-Falklands.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falkl... The United States secretly provided satellite imagery and telecommunications during the conflict but was careful to project a neutral stance in public. Also France was perhaps ambivalent about the conflict, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatchers-blistering-attack-on-French-over-Exocets-during-Falklands.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9767736/Thatc... Certainly support from EU countries was not easily visible. Sorry for the links from the Telegraph since there a clear source of bias there but there are plenty of other references which can back these up.

lhopki01 10y ago
That link showed that France did help the UK. Also they provided ports in West Africa for UK ships as well as details of all the weapon systems sold to the Argentinians. At least as much help as the Chileans.