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I'm having trouble getting past the first sentence: "The problems of Intelligence are, together, the greatest problem in science and technology today."

giardini 10y ago
"The problems of Intelligence" - the many problems that one might associate with discussions about intelligence. They are indeed numerous. "are, together, the greatest problem in science and technology." - You probably get this: together, those problems are the "golden ring" (or brass ring - see the carousel metaphor at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_ring) of science. my paraphrasing would be: "Intelligence is the greatest problem in science and technology today."
- PunchTornado 10y ago
  You cannot start an article like that unless it is your essay and you're a first year student. You're wasting reader's time on meaningless, unproved statements. Perhaps he should demonstrate why that is the case. Or say "X considers Intelligence ..." and then quote him.
  - andai 10y ago
    Perhaps he is writing a 'betoog' (I do not know how to translate this), a piece in which the point is not to inform the user but to convince them of a certain point of view.
  - giardini 10y ago
    Well, he was born in Italy and English is likely not his first language. And his is a name I've heard all my career so, yes, I think he can start an article pretty much any way he pleases and I'll gladly read it.!8-)) But also I agree with Dr. Poggio's first statement in the paper (i.e.,"The problems of Intelligence are, together, the greatest problem in science and technology today."). I have a proof that this is so, however I haven't the time to post it this small textbox and be assured of no typos. Tempus fugit. But if you know of other problem(s) that you believe are greater then you should indeed reveal them to us.
vhold 10y ago
It then goes on to describe really basic problems billions of humans are naturally really good at, things we have no actual problem with in our real life, as opposed to say things that we are not good at, and therefore are real problems we have. I'm not saying we shouldn't make AI to rival humans at those things, but they simply aren't our greatest problems.
- visarga 10y ago
  It's true, in domains such as vision, humans excel. But the implementation of computer vision is an open door for much more powerful robotic applications to emerge, in industry, transportation, medicine, administrative work and caretaking. Making vision cheap and effective for computers will help humans not need to do such backbreaking work as picking fruit (which was protected from automation because it depended on vision and dexterous manipulation). In agriculture, computer vision could lead to plant-level care, reducing the need for chemicals.
dang 10y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. Nitpicking the wording of an article's first sentence is practically a caricature of the Internet Dismissal.
- Svexark 10y ago
  He's pointing out a sentence that wouldn't pass muster in a primary school book report. Yours is the only "unsubstantive comment" I see here.
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- king_magic 10y ago
  I also think bergie's comment is a fair critique. If the very first sentence of an article is that absurd/unfounded/hyperbolic/etc, it's certainly fair to call it out.
- PunchTornado 10y ago
  That is a very fair critique. I don't know how that sentence passed the peer review without someone spilling coffee on their keyboard.
  - bognition 10y ago
    This isn't a peer reviewed paper
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- dkural 10y ago
  He is providing minimum viable evidence that article is not particularly well written. I found his comment helpful.
  - dang 10y ago

giardini 10y ago

"The problems of Intelligence" - the many problems that one might associate with discussions about intelligence. They are indeed numerous. "are, together, the greatest problem in science and technology." - You probably get this: together, those problems are the "golden ring" (or brass ring - see the carousel metaphor at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_ring) of science. my paraphrasing would be: "Intelligence is the greatest problem in science and technology today."

PunchTornado 10y ago
You cannot start an article like that unless it is your essay and you're a first year student. You're wasting reader's time on meaningless, unproved statements. Perhaps he should demonstrate why that is the case. Or say "X considers Intelligence ..." and then quote him.
- andai 10y ago
  Perhaps he is writing a 'betoog' (I do not know how to translate this), a piece in which the point is not to inform the user but to convince them of a certain point of view.
- giardini 10y ago
  Well, he was born in Italy and English is likely not his first language. And his is a name I've heard all my career so, yes, I think he can start an article pretty much any way he pleases and I'll gladly read it.!8-)) But also I agree with Dr. Poggio's first statement in the paper (i.e.,"The problems of Intelligence are, together, the greatest problem in science and technology today."). I have a proof that this is so, however I haven't the time to post it this small textbox and be assured of no typos. Tempus fugit. But if you know of other problem(s) that you believe are greater then you should indeed reveal them to us.

vhold 10y ago

It then goes on to describe really basic problems billions of humans are naturally really good at, things we have no actual problem with in our real life, as opposed to say things that we are not good at, and therefore are real problems we have. I'm not saying we shouldn't make AI to rival humans at those things, but they simply aren't our greatest problems.

visarga 10y ago
It's true, in domains such as vision, humans excel. But the implementation of computer vision is an open door for much more powerful robotic applications to emerge, in industry, transportation, medicine, administrative work and caretaking. Making vision cheap and effective for computers will help humans not need to do such backbreaking work as picking fruit (which was protected from automation because it depended on vision and dexterous manipulation). In agriculture, computer vision could lead to plant-level care, reducing the need for chemicals.

dang 10y ago

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. Nitpicking the wording of an article's first sentence is practically a caricature of the Internet Dismissal.

Svexark 10y ago
He's pointing out a sentence that wouldn't pass muster in a primary school book report. Yours is the only "unsubstantive comment" I see here.
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king_magic 10y ago
I also think bergie's comment is a fair critique. If the very first sentence of an article is that absurd/unfounded/hyperbolic/etc, it's certainly fair to call it out.
PunchTornado 10y ago
That is a very fair critique. I don't know how that sentence passed the peer review without someone spilling coffee on their keyboard.
- bognition 10y ago
  This isn't a peer reviewed paper
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dkural 10y ago
He is providing minimum viable evidence that article is not particularly well written. I found his comment helpful.
- dang 10y ago