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> ...this knowledge was hidden from the vast majority of people who rely on TV news... They seem so much more enlightened now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

> ...this knowledge was hidden from the vast majority of people who rely on TV news... They seem so much more enlightened now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M&t=1336 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M&t=1336 > "Blow the lid off" doesn't mean the first person to reveal something... Which is probably why you remember Riegner, yet give no mention of Leon Feiner. > ...it refers to an explosion that can't be ignored. Sure, or an artful twist to facilitate some hero worship.

Nomentatus 10y ago
Just credit where it's due, effective action is praiseworthy, and perhaps even more praiseworthy than relatively ineffective but noble actions. I don't understand your willingness to pick out one actor to knock. Why not at least praise them all, as I do? Because that's the difference between us, I praise them all and you want to knock one. Your blasts don't reveal much about your motive for that - do you perhaps want to argue against "Great Man Theory" and in favor of the "historical power of the masses", and somehow think any individual achievement anywhere in history would disprove the latter, or something? The "artful twist" is built-in to not just that idiom but also "blow wide open." It's not a coincidence, it's central to the meaning.
- msimpson 10y ago
  > I don't understand your willingness to pick out one actor to knock. I'm not, and I don't understand your necessity to pick out one above others. > Why not at least praise them all. Easy, now. Don't forget that was my argument. > Your blasts don't ... (unintelligible) ... or something? Ugh, no. Let's not digress, again... > The "artful twist" is built-in to not just that idiom but also "blow wide open." It's not a coincidence, it's central to the meaning. That idiom is overused. That "artful twist" lost its impact a long time ago and "blow wide open" is just a variant. These days both are highly subjective (as illustrated above). No, the impact from Snowden's actions are useful but no more explosive than what was, and is now becoming, known to those of us who were paying attention all along. Which is the entire point of my original comment. Would you criticize the WSJ for not name dropping Trump in an article on political stupidity? Or did he blow that wide open, too?
  - Nomentatus 10y ago
    Such condescension. But I don't think you've added anything. It's pretty clear on this page that we were amongst those paying attention, but didn't have much company. Thanks largely to Snowden, now we do.
    - msimpson 10y ago
      After a litany of increasingly obtuse replies each growing further away from my original point to the extent that you actually attempted to turn my own argument against me, you better believe I'm going to be condescending. Talk about not adding anything... Good grief, and good night.
      - Nomentatus 10y ago
        Wow. Just wow.

Nomentatus 10y ago

Just credit where it's due, effective action is praiseworthy, and perhaps even more praiseworthy than relatively ineffective but noble actions. I don't understand your willingness to pick out one actor to knock. Why not at least praise them all, as I do? Because that's the difference between us, I praise them all and you want to knock one. Your blasts don't reveal much about your motive for that - do you perhaps want to argue against "Great Man Theory" and in favor of the "historical power of the masses", and somehow think any individual achievement anywhere in history would disprove the latter, or something? The "artful twist" is built-in to not just that idiom but also "blow wide open." It's not a coincidence, it's central to the meaning.

msimpson 10y ago
> I don't understand your willingness to pick out one actor to knock. I'm not, and I don't understand your necessity to pick out one above others. > Why not at least praise them all. Easy, now. Don't forget that was my argument. > Your blasts don't ... (unintelligible) ... or something? Ugh, no. Let's not digress, again... > The "artful twist" is built-in to not just that idiom but also "blow wide open." It's not a coincidence, it's central to the meaning. That idiom is overused. That "artful twist" lost its impact a long time ago and "blow wide open" is just a variant. These days both are highly subjective (as illustrated above). No, the impact from Snowden's actions are useful but no more explosive than what was, and is now becoming, known to those of us who were paying attention all along. Which is the entire point of my original comment. Would you criticize the WSJ for not name dropping Trump in an article on political stupidity? Or did he blow that wide open, too?
- Nomentatus 10y ago
  Such condescension. But I don't think you've added anything. It's pretty clear on this page that we were amongst those paying attention, but didn't have much company. Thanks largely to Snowden, now we do.
  - msimpson 10y ago
    After a litany of increasingly obtuse replies each growing further away from my original point to the extent that you actually attempted to turn my own argument against me, you better believe I'm going to be condescending. Talk about not adding anything... Good grief, and good night.
    - Nomentatus 10y ago
      Wow. Just wow.