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I dont know... Tesla is currently training their driving AI using the existing fleet in shadow mode. How do you skip this step and go straight to level 4? They

by jaimex2 10y ago

I dont know... Tesla is currently training their driving AI using the existing fleet in shadow mode. How do you skip this step and go straight to level 4? They need months of tuning outside a lab, worldwide. A lot of car manufacturers still refuse to build an EV from the ground up. They are reusing an ICE platform and converting them to EVs. Mazda don't even acknowledge that they need to build EVs. https://electrek.co/2017/03/07/mazda-no-pressure-from-customers-to-make-electric-vehicles/ https://electrek.co/2017/03/07/mazda-no-pressure-from-custom... heh, I'm sorry. Musk is still alive and surpassed Jobs long ago now, he's up to his 5th disruptive successful company. Online Payment, Cars, Space, Solar roofs and AI beat shiny laptop and smartphone.

radiorental 10y ago
I see car companies getting off the shelf solutions from companies like Nvidia, which is what is being trained in Tesla's today. And Nvidia have their own demo. I genuinely wonder who owns the algorithm... It actually makes sense to jump to level 4 from both a liability & design/platform perspective. The fact that Tesla is bleeding through the first few stages with driver-in-the-loop doesn't necessarily mean they get to maintain a competitive advantage long term. (Also, Mazda is a 2nd tier manufacturer, little resources, mostly Ford parts Inc drivetrain, engine and firmware) Finally, I appreciate the Musk fandom. As someone with a little skin in TSLA, I aim to take an objective view fwiw.
- pmorici 10y ago
  That is no longer true with respect to Mazda.
  - radiorental 10y ago
    Good to know, just sold my '04 Mazda 6 which was pretty much all Ford. After looking it up I see that Ford reduced ownership from 1/3rd to 10% in '08. Thanks for the correction.
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kayoone 10y ago
The german manufactures are not asleep at the wheel, get into the newest E-Class and despite it being a lot cheaper than a Model S, the self driving capabilities are impressive. Don't even let me start on the interieur quality, which is my biggest gripe with Tesla considering their price segment.
- Tepix 10y ago
  I agree. However they are still behind with regards to cars that are designed from the ground up to be electric.
- vsl 10y ago
  "Impressive" is not the word I'd use. If you didn't drive Model S, perhaps. Otherwise, meh. http://www.thedrive.com/tech/4591/the-war-for-autonomous-driving-2017-mercedes-benz-e-class-vs-2017-tesla-model-s http://www.thedrive.com/tech/4591/the-war-for-autonomous-dri...

by jaimex2 10y ago

radiorental 10y ago

I see car companies getting off the shelf solutions from companies like Nvidia, which is what is being trained in Tesla's today. And Nvidia have their own demo. I genuinely wonder who owns the algorithm... It actually makes sense to jump to level 4 from both a liability & design/platform perspective. The fact that Tesla is bleeding through the first few stages with driver-in-the-loop doesn't necessarily mean they get to maintain a competitive advantage long term. (Also, Mazda is a 2nd tier manufacturer, little resources, mostly Ford parts Inc drivetrain, engine and firmware) Finally, I appreciate the Musk fandom. As someone with a little skin in TSLA, I aim to take an objective view fwiw.

pmorici 10y ago
That is no longer true with respect to Mazda.
- radiorental 10y ago
  Good to know, just sold my '04 Mazda 6 which was pretty much all Ford. After looking it up I see that Ford reduced ownership from 1/3rd to 10% in '08. Thanks for the correction.

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kayoone 10y ago

The german manufactures are not asleep at the wheel, get into the newest E-Class and despite it being a lot cheaper than a Model S, the self driving capabilities are impressive. Don't even let me start on the interieur quality, which is my biggest gripe with Tesla considering their price segment.

Tepix 10y ago
I agree. However they are still behind with regards to cars that are designed from the ground up to be electric.
vsl 10y ago
"Impressive" is not the word I'd use. If you didn't drive Model S, perhaps. Otherwise, meh. http://www.thedrive.com/tech/4591/the-war-for-autonomous-driving-2017-mercedes-benz-e-class-vs-2017-tesla-model-s http://www.thedrive.com/tech/4591/the-war-for-autonomous-dri...