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Hillary didn't rally the black vote well enough during the general, but that's one failing among many of hers as a candidate in that election. I was referring s

by sidlls 10y ago

Hillary didn't rally the black vote well enough during the general, but that's one failing among many of hers as a candidate in that election. I was referring specifically to the campaign for the nomination, in which she and her campaign successfully cast Bernie as a racist, as you note, and did so in part by portraying him as though he thought poverty caused racism instead of racism contributing to the poverty of black folks. There were other factors at play (e.g. Lewis' remarks about not remembering seeing Bernie around during civil rights protests and activities), but those are separte, if related, issues. But, yes, you are also spot on regarding the Democrats' malfeasance in "play[ing] this game too long," too.

stvswn 10y ago
Interesting. I wonder if the Clinton campaign tried to get too clever against Bernie by dividing his support -- tell Blacks he's not committed to civil rights, tell Hispanics he's anti-immigration, tell women his supporters are all "Bernie Bros." This way, it would be hard for him to catch fire outside of white males, making the math hard for him. She may have won the battle but lost the war: the message that she's not the candidate for the white working class resonated too well, and she didn't do enough to pivot back to the Rust Belt when it mattered -- giving Trump an opening to "pick the lock" on the great Democratic firewall.
- sidlls 10y ago
  That and there were plenty of black folks pissed off at the "all blacks are poor" character of the campaign (in fairness the Bernie campaign was terribly tone deaf and made it all too easy for her to do what she did).
uncletaco 10y ago
Even during the democratic primary there's not much of a case to be made that her campaign sought to portray Sanders as a racist. We even have emails that show her campaign's strategy was largely focused on wooing over black leaders during the primary[1]. Also, several staff members from Sanders' campaign admitted they did not do a lot to appeal to black voters, having already assumed they were in the bag for Clinton[2]. She drew comparisons between her own campaign's efforts at outreach and his[3], comparisons which have been proven to be true. Saying she cast Sanders as "racist" is both misleading and ignores the fact that his outreach to black voters was provably lackluster. [1] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-wikileaks-emails-clinton-black-voters-20161022-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-w... [2] http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black-voters/ http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black... [3] https://secure.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-speech-racism-harlem-219311 https://secure.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-sp...
- sidlls 10y ago
  None of these things contradicts what I wrote or supports your assertion.
  - uncletaco 10y ago
    Then prove to me she was casting Sanders as a racist. Show me how Sanders' campaign was not lackluster when wooing black voters.

by sidlls 10y ago

stvswn 10y ago

Interesting. I wonder if the Clinton campaign tried to get too clever against Bernie by dividing his support -- tell Blacks he's not committed to civil rights, tell Hispanics he's anti-immigration, tell women his supporters are all "Bernie Bros." This way, it would be hard for him to catch fire outside of white males, making the math hard for him. She may have won the battle but lost the war: the message that she's not the candidate for the white working class resonated too well, and she didn't do enough to pivot back to the Rust Belt when it mattered -- giving Trump an opening to "pick the lock" on the great Democratic firewall.

sidlls 10y ago
That and there were plenty of black folks pissed off at the "all blacks are poor" character of the campaign (in fairness the Bernie campaign was terribly tone deaf and made it all too easy for her to do what she did).

uncletaco 10y ago

Even during the democratic primary there's not much of a case to be made that her campaign sought to portray Sanders as a racist. We even have emails that show her campaign's strategy was largely focused on wooing over black leaders during the primary[1]. Also, several staff members from Sanders' campaign admitted they did not do a lot to appeal to black voters, having already assumed they were in the bag for Clinton[2]. She drew comparisons between her own campaign's efforts at outreach and his[3], comparisons which have been proven to be true. Saying she cast Sanders as "racist" is both misleading and ignores the fact that his outreach to black voters was provably lackluster. [1] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-wikileaks-emails-clinton-black-voters-20161022-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-w... [2] http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black-voters/ http://fusion.net/story/323539/how-bernie-sanders-lost-black... [3] https://secure.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-speech-racism-harlem-219311 https://secure.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-sp...

sidlls 10y ago
None of these things contradicts what I wrote or supports your assertion.
- uncletaco 10y ago
  Then prove to me she was casting Sanders as a racist. Show me how Sanders' campaign was not lackluster when wooing black voters.