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Of course, you do need a 9-5 job, because you moved to the city for your last job because that's the only area that could employ you, and you need that job to a
by throwaway91111 10y ago
Of course, you do need a 9-5 job, because you moved to the city for your last job because that's the only area that could employ you, and you need that job to afford the apartment you got in the area with employment.
My significant other works part time and would have to move back home, basically, to afford basic shelter and food. And it's not like the productivity gains are going to leave management--literally a laughable concept.
Finally, over 50% of retirees retired earlier than expected (which is not to say they dipped into retirement early; I have no idea about that stat, but IIRC it's even a higher rate). You can't not plan for retirement and be rational.
Retirement itself is a modern concept to encourage older workers to leave their jobs to younger workers. It's a 20th century invention. Humans have, for the vast majority of existence, worked until death.
- nostrademons 10y agoI think that's his "more pressing question" that he ended with. All of the reasons you gave for why people need 9-5 jobs have to do with the distribution of the productivity gains from automation. If you fix the problem where management makes 99% of the returns from automation and workers make 1%, then the other problems with automation go away.
- throwaway91111 10y agoErr, I guess my point was more that retirement and leisure ARE the problems in themselves. Even if we figure out how to distribute the gains better, we are still in a world where humans have lost value. Are we prepared for a world of leisure? Will people WANT this world?
- forgotmysn 10y agoAre people ready to stop flipping burgers? Yes, I think they are. Are people ready to stop pursuing their passions? No, and I don't think they ever will.
- visarga 10y agoEven if there would be many millions of unemployed people on BHI, they can still perform services to each other, such as doctor, teacher, delivery worker, construction worker, or robot maintenance. This way they become more self reliant and make the BHI count for more. People will always have work, at the very least we have to take care of our own personal needs.
- forgotmysn 10y agommmm i disagree. rather than thinking of certain occupations getting automated, think of 'labor' as a whole getting automated. within 10 years we will have AI capable of medical diagnostics with a higher accuracy rate than any doctor, we will have robots capable of surgery with less risk than a human doctor. we will have robots to repair robots and assemble prefab homes. i dont think we will ever have a time where _no_ humans work, but for 99% of the population, welfare will be decoupled from occupation.
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