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I am open to evidence that clearly shows that climate change is in part or completely caused by humans. Subjectivity would be one measure that I would apply.

woodandsteel 10y ago
I think we are using the term "subjective" differently. In your original comment, I thought you were using the term to indicate biased thinking. Now you seem to be meaning people's direct experience of the temperature. Or am I misunderstanding you?
- wtvanhest 10y ago
  You are misunderstanding. Basically, you are commenting in circles. I am looking for, no, pleading with you to present... is a clear and compelling case that global warming is at least partially caused by humans. When you or anyone else presents that evidence, I and others will apply various techniques to determine how credible that evidence is. One of those techniques I will apply is to examine subjectivity vs objectivity.
  - woodandsteel 10y ago
    What I am asking you to do is clarify what you mean by the terms "subjectivity" and "objectivity". I am asking that because it is common for people to differ as to whether a given claim is objective or subjective, and so I would like to know how you yourself decide.
    - wtvanhest 10y ago
      Yes, what is obviously subjective to me, may be objevtive to you. We wont know unless we look at the evidence and debate it. Why dont you start by presenting some. I have looked and looked, but I am failing to draw causality
  - Oletros 10y ago
    > I am looking for, no, pleading with you to present... is a clear and compelling case that global warming is at least partially caused by humans If you think that in 2017 there is no clear and compelling case that global warming is at least partially caused by humans I think you won't accept any fact about it
    - wtvanhest 10y ago
      That is what everyone says, but no one actually presents the paper or research that convinced them. I would think that if I held a deep conviction about something I would know why I held that belief. Unless I just decided that all my friends and TV people said something is true so it must be. That would be very alarming though...

woodandsteel 10y ago

I think we are using the term "subjective" differently. In your original comment, I thought you were using the term to indicate biased thinking. Now you seem to be meaning people's direct experience of the temperature. Or am I misunderstanding you?

wtvanhest 10y ago
You are misunderstanding. Basically, you are commenting in circles. I am looking for, no, pleading with you to present... is a clear and compelling case that global warming is at least partially caused by humans. When you or anyone else presents that evidence, I and others will apply various techniques to determine how credible that evidence is. One of those techniques I will apply is to examine subjectivity vs objectivity.
- woodandsteel 10y ago
  What I am asking you to do is clarify what you mean by the terms "subjectivity" and "objectivity". I am asking that because it is common for people to differ as to whether a given claim is objective or subjective, and so I would like to know how you yourself decide.
  - wtvanhest 10y ago
    Yes, what is obviously subjective to me, may be objevtive to you. We wont know unless we look at the evidence and debate it. Why dont you start by presenting some. I have looked and looked, but I am failing to draw causality
- Oletros 10y ago
  > I am looking for, no, pleading with you to present... is a clear and compelling case that global warming is at least partially caused by humans If you think that in 2017 there is no clear and compelling case that global warming is at least partially caused by humans I think you won't accept any fact about it
  - wtvanhest 10y ago
    That is what everyone says, but no one actually presents the paper or research that convinced them. I would think that if I held a deep conviction about something I would know why I held that belief. Unless I just decided that all my friends and TV people said something is true so it must be. That would be very alarming though...