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>but has gone downhill in the last 6 months. sorry, didn't you just prove my point? But regardless, even if we ignore the part you just added and pretend you'

>but has gone downhill in the last 6 months. sorry, didn't you just prove my point? But regardless, even if we ignore the part you just added and pretend you're working in a paradise (the impression your first comment gave) - being hired as the first and only member of the IT department is not the situation most people are entering into. I mean, it's like the major problem with bootstrapping your company as a sole founder: although you're your own boss, your boss actually kind of sucks, is bad at managing and communicating tasks and deadlines, and basically he doesn't know what he's doing. :) I would say for obvious reasons my advice doesn't apply as much to first and other very early hires. But if there is a team you would be joining - definitely my advice will give you great results.

collyw 10y ago
>sorry, didn't you just prove my point? Er, no. Because even if the other two had been around then they would have probably said yes its a great place to work, which it was when I started. Things can change relatively quickly, which I would say negates your point even more.
- logicallee 10y ago
  wait a moment. So you are saying that if you received the offer today (posit this) and suppose you followed my suggestion and ended up as part of your due dilligence talking to the other two people: if you talked to them as an outsider, would you come to the misleading conclusion that it's a great place, but the reality is that it's a bad place to work now? I want to be clear that this is what you're saying. It is an interesting claim, to be sure. It is contrary to all of my experience. In particular, I feel you would be able to filter their recommendation through your impression of who they are, so that I do not feel you would come to the wrong conclusion as an outsider. Very interested in your answer to this.
  - collyw 10y ago
    No, I am saying I received the offer when no one was around to ask. Had those guys been working there at that time they would have probably said it was a good place to work.
    - logicallee 10y ago
      Thanks. I think that is a special case.

collyw 10y ago

>sorry, didn't you just prove my point? Er, no. Because even if the other two had been around then they would have probably said yes its a great place to work, which it was when I started. Things can change relatively quickly, which I would say negates your point even more.

logicallee 10y ago
wait a moment. So you are saying that if you received the offer today (posit this) and suppose you followed my suggestion and ended up as part of your due dilligence talking to the other two people: if you talked to them as an outsider, would you come to the misleading conclusion that it's a great place, but the reality is that it's a bad place to work now? I want to be clear that this is what you're saying. It is an interesting claim, to be sure. It is contrary to all of my experience. In particular, I feel you would be able to filter their recommendation through your impression of who they are, so that I do not feel you would come to the wrong conclusion as an outsider. Very interested in your answer to this.
- collyw 10y ago
  No, I am saying I received the offer when no one was around to ask. Had those guys been working there at that time they would have probably said it was a good place to work.
  - logicallee 10y ago
    Thanks. I think that is a special case.