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I guess you don't remember the lead up to the Iraq war.

by rapsey 10y ago

zerocrates 10y ago
I believe the quibble there is that millions didn't die in the Iraq War.
- tracker1 10y ago
  s/millions/over a million/g
  - smt88 10y ago
    But that's still likely too high. The truth is important. Getting facts wrong about wars can only help people who are pro-war by making pacifists look uninformed.
    - tracker1 10y ago
      Well, how about over a quarter of a million bombs/missiles dropped during the Obama administration? If over half a million deaths in Iraq isn't enough, that number should be sobering.
      - smt88 10y ago
        Again, these points are well-made using the real numbers. I could only find 100k bombs under Obama. Can you cite your number?
        tracker1 10y ago
        When I last looked into it, there were over 20k most years (26k in 2016 alone). so more likely closer to 200k (over 8 years), been a while since I looked... In any case, it's a horrific number.
komali2 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Estimates range from ~100,000 to 700,000. The Iraq War was a mistake that sixty years from now we will be mocked and judged for, but be careful with words like "millions."
- ConfuciusSay02 10y ago
  Ahh yes, just an honest mistake, and so long as only one million people are killed, not two, then we can promptly dismiss any concerns. Is that how it works? I wonder if you think the NYT had a hand in pushing for the first Iraq war? How about in Yugoslavia? Panama? Libya? Syria? Or were all of those moral and noble humanitarian wars where the death and destruction was worth it? Although the Iraq war is the best and most blatant example of the NYT's warmongering, it is far from the only one. All of these wars combined easily resulted in millions of deaths.
  - praxulus 10y ago
    No, the way it works is that nobody should get away with lying just because they're calling out a bad thing for being bad.
  - komali2 10y ago
    >so long as only one million people Nobody has claimed one million were killed. Stop trying to spread wrong information, it is the same thing as lying. >I wonder if you think the NYT had a hand in pushing for the first Iraq war? How about in Yugoslavia? Panama? Libya? Syria? Or were all of those moral and noble humanitarian wars where the death and destruction was worth it? Holy fucking non sequitur, batman. What does a media agenda have to do with a moral position on war? How is "NYT had a hand in pushing for" related to the question of whether your examples were "moral and noble humanitarian wars?" You can't just say a thing that's absurd, and then immediately assume they're true, so that you can jump to making a moral attack. Here's a great resource for you: http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/eng207-td/Logic%20and%20Analysis/most_common_logical_fallacies.htm http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/eng207-td/Logic%20and%20Analy... >best and most blatant example of NYT's warmongering Somehow we started at outright lies about the number of deaths in the Iraq war, and concluded that the NYT is a warmongering institution with the power to mobilize the most powerful military on the planet at it's whim, and thus is responsible for every death caused by the US military throughout history. Hey let's take it up a notch, did you know humans never landed on the moon and that Mark Zuckerberg's evil twin, Matt Zuckerberg, is running a robotic pizza factory that snoops through people's emails? Benghazi.

I guess you don't remember the lead up to the Iraq war.

by rapsey 10y ago

I guess you don't remember the lead up to the Iraq war.

zerocrates 10y ago

I believe the quibble there is that millions didn't die in the Iraq War.

tracker1 10y ago
s/millions/over a million/g
- smt88 10y ago
  But that's still likely too high. The truth is important. Getting facts wrong about wars can only help people who are pro-war by making pacifists look uninformed.
  - tracker1 10y ago
    Well, how about over a quarter of a million bombs/missiles dropped during the Obama administration? If over half a million deaths in Iraq isn't enough, that number should be sobering.
    - smt88 10y ago
      Again, these points are well-made using the real numbers. I could only find 100k bombs under Obama. Can you cite your number?
      - tracker1 10y ago
        When I last looked into it, there were over 20k most years (26k in 2016 alone). so more likely closer to 200k (over 8 years), been a while since I looked... In any case, it's a horrific number.

komali2 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War Estimates range from ~100,000 to 700,000. The Iraq War was a mistake that sixty years from now we will be mocked and judged for, but be careful with words like "millions."

ConfuciusSay02 10y ago
Ahh yes, just an honest mistake, and so long as only one million people are killed, not two, then we can promptly dismiss any concerns. Is that how it works? I wonder if you think the NYT had a hand in pushing for the first Iraq war? How about in Yugoslavia? Panama? Libya? Syria? Or were all of those moral and noble humanitarian wars where the death and destruction was worth it? Although the Iraq war is the best and most blatant example of the NYT's warmongering, it is far from the only one. All of these wars combined easily resulted in millions of deaths.
- praxulus 10y ago
  No, the way it works is that nobody should get away with lying just because they're calling out a bad thing for being bad.
- komali2 10y ago
  >so long as only one million people Nobody has claimed one million were killed. Stop trying to spread wrong information, it is the same thing as lying. >I wonder if you think the NYT had a hand in pushing for the first Iraq war? How about in Yugoslavia? Panama? Libya? Syria? Or were all of those moral and noble humanitarian wars where the death and destruction was worth it? Holy fucking non sequitur, batman. What does a media agenda have to do with a moral position on war? How is "NYT had a hand in pushing for" related to the question of whether your examples were "moral and noble humanitarian wars?" You can't just say a thing that's absurd, and then immediately assume they're true, so that you can jump to making a moral attack. Here's a great resource for you: http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/eng207-td/Logic%20and%20Analysis/most_common_logical_fallacies.htm http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/eng207-td/Logic%20and%20Analy... >best and most blatant example of NYT's warmongering Somehow we started at outright lies about the number of deaths in the Iraq war, and concluded that the NYT is a warmongering institution with the power to mobilize the most powerful military on the planet at it's whim, and thus is responsible for every death caused by the US military throughout history. Hey let's take it up a notch, did you know humans never landed on the moon and that Mark Zuckerberg's evil twin, Matt Zuckerberg, is running a robotic pizza factory that snoops through people's emails? Benghazi.