Again, this is not a good example of why the javascript ecosystem is worse / java is better. > But that’s the point. That’s all just code. Just normal code. No

Again, this is not a good example of why the javascript ecosystem is worse / java is better. > But that’s the point. That’s all just code. Just normal code. Not additional command line utilities. First, Maven does not come standard with java. Second, in a previous reply, I mentioned that if you are not comfortable with the latest and greatest, then stick to the current standard. There is nothing wrong with that, and you can be productive. If transpilers and babel seems too scary to you, which given you mention maven and gradle I assume not, then don't use them, use polyfil, which is just like that retrolambda you linked. Most all of ES6's features are sugar anyways. Your intimate knowledge of tools and frameworks for the Java ecosystem will not equal another. What's a plugin? Ohhh you mean OSGI? No? Oh well I am lost. What is gradle? Oh it's a new build tool? Well sorry I only know ant, and my coworker uses sbt. He's hipster like that. > The problem of "good defaults" was never even considered in the JS world, it seems. touché for java.