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it is over the top. when I go to a store and buy 2 bananas, i dont really give a shit about whether the scale is validated. I want those two bananas and if the

by wayn3 10y ago

it is over the top. when I go to a store and buy 2 bananas, i dont really give a shit about whether the scale is validated. I want those two bananas and if the scale says its 2.19, and im fine with that, do I really care whether the scale showed the correct weight? Seriously? With uber, its the same thing. I want to go a place. The app says it'll be X. Do I give a shit about a meter? Probably not. This kind of regulation is retarded. Its about "fraud". I cant be defrauded by a scale. Maybe that was different 100 years ago when this kind of regulation came up. I don't know. I wasn't there. But when Im in a supermarket looking at a piece of produce that I want to purchase and the device that figures out the price says its X dollars, I don't really care how it arrived at that price. I want to buy the thing, or I don't. God forbid it fucks me out of the 2 cents 10 extra grams would cost. Oh lord. I'd certainly pay a premium to be able to actually get a ride instead of waiting for a fucking taxi with a pissed off driver for an hour.

arghIdontwantto 10y ago
would you care if every transaction you did on your bank account also fucked you out of 2 cents? We (me in Portugal but a lot of Europe as well) have laws to prevent this kind of fraud. Gas stations, scales in supermarkets, etc all have to be 'validated' every year to make sure no funny business is going on. If you end up fucking up, the fines can/will probably make you close shop. You may not care, but if for each litre of petrol the station sells, it pocketed one cent, we are talking thousands of euros fraud per day. If most shops do this, the customers are being defrauded of millions. You still think it is ok?
- tyingq 10y ago
  I think it's okay in this case, with taxi meters. The Uber app shows you the route and cost before you commit to it. And, you can verify the calculation with other free tools if you want. A meter in the taxi is actually less useful. It accurately measures distance, but doesn't tell you if the driver took the shortest route.
  - mikewhy 10y ago
    Taxi charges continue while the car is at rest. So the shortest route doesn't mean much if the traffic is barely moving.
- wayn3 10y ago
  if every transaction on my bank account cheated me out of 2 cents, that would amount to a low single digit sum. Yes, I'd probably be cool with that. Do you guys realize that the armageddon you are trying to paint isnt all that armageddon-y? I mean, fraud isn't cool. But if you want to scare me, you may at least try to scare me. Losing 5 dollars in a year to "fraud" sounds more enticing than losing 70% of my income to - taxes which are totally not theft because the law says so - theft.
- bmelton 10y ago
  The difference here is with Uber, you see the route and the fare before you accept it. So, if we're trying to pull your example away from hypothetical and more towards practical, it's like getting fucked out of ATM fees every time they wish to withdraw money. To put it simply, as we've seen, many people are happy to be screwed out of amounts well in excess of 2 cents per withdrawal.
rlpb 10y ago
> I want those two bananas and if the scale says its 2.19, and im fine with that, do I really care whether the scale showed the correct weight? Seriously? You might not care for that individual transaction, but you're benefiting from the scale having been validated nonetheless. If scales weren't validated, stores would be in an armageddon about how far they can cheat you in order to appear cheaper than other stores. The grocery market wouldn't be functional. Rather than competing on giving buyers value, they'd be competing on how far they can cheat buyers instead. Honest grocers wouldn't be able to compete. You'd effectively be paying a corruption tax on all your groceries; not just those two bananas.
- tyingq 10y ago
  I think that's less of a risk these days than it used to be. In this day of ubiquitous communications, camera phones, online reviews, and so forth, it would be easy to get caught and suffer a wave a bad PR that won't go away. Also, a fair amount of the produce in my area is sold by piece now, instead of weight. Oranges are 50 cents a piece for example. Or pre-bagged and/or packaged for a fixed price.
  - malandrew 10y ago
    Scales mattered when almost all of the products at the grocery store were weighed, but now 90% or more of the typical grocery cart is prepackaged or pre-bundled in someway, including produce. Regulating scales are an anachronism.
- wayn3 10y ago
  I'd be paying a corruption tax, instead of an actual absurd amount of taxes. The horror. I'm being facetious but seriously. A world in which people believe that a supermarket scale has to be regulated by federal government or else - is a weird world. Life as we know it would NOT break down just because government doesnt dabble in one tiny stupid little thing.

by wayn3 10y ago

arghIdontwantto 10y ago

would you care if every transaction you did on your bank account also fucked you out of 2 cents? We (me in Portugal but a lot of Europe as well) have laws to prevent this kind of fraud. Gas stations, scales in supermarkets, etc all have to be 'validated' every year to make sure no funny business is going on. If you end up fucking up, the fines can/will probably make you close shop. You may not care, but if for each litre of petrol the station sells, it pocketed one cent, we are talking thousands of euros fraud per day. If most shops do this, the customers are being defrauded of millions. You still think it is ok?

tyingq 10y ago
I think it's okay in this case, with taxi meters. The Uber app shows you the route and cost before you commit to it. And, you can verify the calculation with other free tools if you want. A meter in the taxi is actually less useful. It accurately measures distance, but doesn't tell you if the driver took the shortest route.
- mikewhy 10y ago
  Taxi charges continue while the car is at rest. So the shortest route doesn't mean much if the traffic is barely moving.
wayn3 10y ago
if every transaction on my bank account cheated me out of 2 cents, that would amount to a low single digit sum. Yes, I'd probably be cool with that. Do you guys realize that the armageddon you are trying to paint isnt all that armageddon-y? I mean, fraud isn't cool. But if you want to scare me, you may at least try to scare me. Losing 5 dollars in a year to "fraud" sounds more enticing than losing 70% of my income to - taxes which are totally not theft because the law says so - theft.
bmelton 10y ago
The difference here is with Uber, you see the route and the fare before you accept it. So, if we're trying to pull your example away from hypothetical and more towards practical, it's like getting fucked out of ATM fees every time they wish to withdraw money. To put it simply, as we've seen, many people are happy to be screwed out of amounts well in excess of 2 cents per withdrawal.

rlpb 10y ago

> I want those two bananas and if the scale says its 2.19, and im fine with that, do I really care whether the scale showed the correct weight? Seriously? You might not care for that individual transaction, but you're benefiting from the scale having been validated nonetheless. If scales weren't validated, stores would be in an armageddon about how far they can cheat you in order to appear cheaper than other stores. The grocery market wouldn't be functional. Rather than competing on giving buyers value, they'd be competing on how far they can cheat buyers instead. Honest grocers wouldn't be able to compete. You'd effectively be paying a corruption tax on all your groceries; not just those two bananas.

tyingq 10y ago
I think that's less of a risk these days than it used to be. In this day of ubiquitous communications, camera phones, online reviews, and so forth, it would be easy to get caught and suffer a wave a bad PR that won't go away. Also, a fair amount of the produce in my area is sold by piece now, instead of weight. Oranges are 50 cents a piece for example. Or pre-bagged and/or packaged for a fixed price.
- malandrew 10y ago
  Scales mattered when almost all of the products at the grocery store were weighed, but now 90% or more of the typical grocery cart is prepackaged or pre-bundled in someway, including produce. Regulating scales are an anachronism.
wayn3 10y ago
I'd be paying a corruption tax, instead of an actual absurd amount of taxes. The horror. I'm being facetious but seriously. A world in which people believe that a supermarket scale has to be regulated by federal government or else - is a weird world. Life as we know it would NOT break down just because government doesnt dabble in one tiny stupid little thing.