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Instead of VS try out IntelliJ IDEA with Rust plugin: https://intellij-rust.github.io https://intellij-rust.github.io It gives you the comfort features known f

by frik 10y ago

Instead of VS try out IntelliJ IDEA with Rust plugin: https://intellij-rust.github.io https://intellij-rust.github.io It gives you the comfort features known from the IntelliJ platform and doesn't add phonehome telemetry to your exe files (like VS2k15).

jsmeaton 10y ago
Have you got a source for the telemetry inside the compiled binary claim?
- yuriks 10y ago
  It was something a specific patch version (of Update 2, iirc) did which was blown way out of proportion. The CRT in that version sent two events on startup and shutdown to the windows event tracing/profiling framework. (Which show up in performance analysis tools like WPA.) People just latched onto the scary name.
  - oblio 10y ago
    To make things even worse (even funnier?), GCC also has something like this, I believe it's this feature: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Instrumentation-Options.html https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Instrumentation-Options.h...
    - dom0 10y ago
      Profiling is not telemetry. Telemetry implies that events are supposed to be transmitted off-site (tele + metry = remote + measuring). Profiling writes a local file with statistics.
- frik 10y ago
  http://www.slashdot.org/story/312289 http://www.slashdot.org/story/312289 https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry Appearently they backed off, due to major outcry. The usual salami tactics. Nevertheless to this day developers compile binaries with the affected compiler version - still in release builds of various up-to-date software.
  - josteink 10y ago
    Seems you migt want to read this sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13974771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13974771
KangooDude 10y ago
Guy got down-voted for providing an excellent free alternative and mentioned the fact that it linker / libraries indeed does not add crap to your code. Btw Microsoft representative itself called it telemetry, confirm they added it without any warning, cloud it all in high grade bullshitspeak, while order for removing it in hurry, or just rename/disguise functions "to remove any suspicions" as they do with spying (sorry, complete anonymous telemetry that helps to improve the product) services in Windows 10? https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/4ibauu/visual_studio_adding_telemetry_function_calls_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/4ibauu/visual_studio_a...

by frik 10y ago

jsmeaton 10y ago

Have you got a source for the telemetry inside the compiled binary claim?

yuriks 10y ago
It was something a specific patch version (of Update 2, iirc) did which was blown way out of proportion. The CRT in that version sent two events on startup and shutdown to the windows event tracing/profiling framework. (Which show up in performance analysis tools like WPA.) People just latched onto the scary name.
- oblio 10y ago
  To make things even worse (even funnier?), GCC also has something like this, I believe it's this feature: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Instrumentation-Options.html https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Instrumentation-Options.h...
  - dom0 10y ago
    Profiling is not telemetry. Telemetry implies that events are supposed to be transmitted off-site (tele + metry = remote + measuring). Profiling writes a local file with statistics.
frik 10y ago
http://www.slashdot.org/story/312289 http://www.slashdot.org/story/312289 https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry Appearently they backed off, due to major outcry. The usual salami tactics. Nevertheless to this day developers compile binaries with the affected compiler version - still in release builds of various up-to-date software.
- josteink 10y ago
  Seems you migt want to read this sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13974771 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13974771

KangooDude 10y ago

Guy got down-voted for providing an excellent free alternative and mentioned the fact that it linker / libraries indeed does not add crap to your code. Btw Microsoft representative itself called it telemetry, confirm they added it without any warning, cloud it all in high grade bullshitspeak, while order for removing it in hurry, or just rename/disguise functions "to remove any suspicions" as they do with spying (sorry, complete anonymous telemetry that helps to improve the product) services in Windows 10? https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/4ibauu/visual_studio_adding_telemetry_function_calls_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/4ibauu/visual_studio_a...