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A "chip"? So what's your answer to people who get physically ill when consuming alcohol? Don't get a job? Because in American drinking culture, they're going

by Arizhel 10y ago

A "chip"? So what's your answer to people who get physically ill when consuming alcohol? Don't get a job? Because in American drinking culture, they're going to look bad if they don't drink with everyone else at one of these stupid happy hours. Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about people who don't participate in American drinking culture and binge drinking.

Nadya 10y ago
I become ill at the smell of alcohol. I sit out the usual Friday bar nights and have to turn down the occasional offers of alcohol from coworkers that don't interact with me frequently (and thus either don't know or have forgotten that I don't drink) They get to go get wasted at the local bar. I get to enjoy my Friday night playing video games alone. Win-win. If they do something like GoKarting I get dragged into something I'd rather not be doing since I feel obliged to attend since I sit out of the many alcohol-related events. I'm agreeing with Chris2048 here. Sounds like a chip. They can enjoy their alcohol without me being a downer about it or forcing the majority of the company to comply with my wishes of non-alcoholic expenditures. If they have fun drinking, let them have fun I say. I'll go home and play some video games.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  Right, and then you miss out on important work dealings and decision-making, you're seen as "not a team player", you're passed over for promotions, etc. Staying out of all work "team-building" events eventually looks really bad for you and will work against you.
  - Nadya 10y ago
    Maybe I've been extremely fortunate - but that just hasn't the case at where I work. I'm very clear about why I don't attend these things and people are very understanding. Perhaps it is because I have a very visible impact on my department or maybe because all decision making is done during office hours. The bar is for play and karaoke - not to talk about work. The company culture treats any work discussion during team outings as taboo. You won't be punished for it but you'll be told kindly to shut up and have fun - work will be back again next Monday. Talk about it then. :) If I had to guess, that probably plays a huge part into why the company doesn't have those sort of problems.
    - Arizhel 10y ago
      >The company culture treats any work discussion during team outings as taboo. You won't be punished for it but you'll be told kindly to shut up and have fun - work will be back again next Monday. Many places are not like this.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    How do you know? Is this fact, or fear? If you deserve promotion for a non-social role, but aren't because you don't go out with the team, that is not good, but that's a tangent to banning work related drinking events. Another question is, do you go to non-alcohol related work events?
Chris2048 10y ago
> So what's your answer to people who get physically ill when consuming alcohol My answer is it's a rarity, and a distraction that you included it. > Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about people who don't participate in American drinking culture and binge drinking. Does it? Strange given I neither binge drink (which isn't the same as a drink after work anyway, and so I reiterate that you have a chip) nor am I American. I couldn't care less if people don't want to participate, I'm not going to suggest they be forced - unlike your suggestion that people be forced not to. When your team visits this hypothetical restaurant, will you ban anyone from ordering steaks, because because a baby can't chew it...

by Arizhel 10y ago

Nadya 10y ago

I become ill at the smell of alcohol. I sit out the usual Friday bar nights and have to turn down the occasional offers of alcohol from coworkers that don't interact with me frequently (and thus either don't know or have forgotten that I don't drink) They get to go get wasted at the local bar. I get to enjoy my Friday night playing video games alone. Win-win. If they do something like GoKarting I get dragged into something I'd rather not be doing since I feel obliged to attend since I sit out of the many alcohol-related events. I'm agreeing with Chris2048 here. Sounds like a chip. They can enjoy their alcohol without me being a downer about it or forcing the majority of the company to comply with my wishes of non-alcoholic expenditures. If they have fun drinking, let them have fun I say. I'll go home and play some video games.

Arizhel 10y ago
Right, and then you miss out on important work dealings and decision-making, you're seen as "not a team player", you're passed over for promotions, etc. Staying out of all work "team-building" events eventually looks really bad for you and will work against you.
- Nadya 10y ago
  Maybe I've been extremely fortunate - but that just hasn't the case at where I work. I'm very clear about why I don't attend these things and people are very understanding. Perhaps it is because I have a very visible impact on my department or maybe because all decision making is done during office hours. The bar is for play and karaoke - not to talk about work. The company culture treats any work discussion during team outings as taboo. You won't be punished for it but you'll be told kindly to shut up and have fun - work will be back again next Monday. Talk about it then. :) If I had to guess, that probably plays a huge part into why the company doesn't have those sort of problems.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    >The company culture treats any work discussion during team outings as taboo. You won't be punished for it but you'll be told kindly to shut up and have fun - work will be back again next Monday. Many places are not like this.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  How do you know? Is this fact, or fear? If you deserve promotion for a non-social role, but aren't because you don't go out with the team, that is not good, but that's a tangent to banning work related drinking events. Another question is, do you go to non-alcohol related work events?

Chris2048 10y ago

> So what's your answer to people who get physically ill when consuming alcohol My answer is it's a rarity, and a distraction that you included it. > Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about people who don't participate in American drinking culture and binge drinking. Does it? Strange given I neither binge drink (which isn't the same as a drink after work anyway, and so I reiterate that you have a chip) nor am I American. I couldn't care less if people don't want to participate, I'm not going to suggest they be forced - unlike your suggestion that people be forced not to. When your team visits this hypothetical restaurant, will you ban anyone from ordering steaks, because because a baby can't chew it...