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I don't know why I'm doing this, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs (Fairly obviously NSFW or the read

I don't know why I'm doing this, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs (Fairly obviously NSFW or the readily-offended if you have the sound on.)

logicallee 10y ago
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- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Look here's the deal with him. The man is unwell. What do you have to gain from digging down rabbit holes like this? In regards to Terry I have taken a "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything" policy. Every once in a while, if you like his work send him a note telling him so. Don't endeavor to increase his suffering. The same fate may await any of us.
  - cyberpunk 10y ago
    I'm with you cmdrfred. I don't understand why anyone would do these things. Terry wrote an entire OS+Bootloader, dozens of remarkable apps for it, the toolchain for the custom programming language it's written in (which he also created) by himself. The scale of that achievement boggles my mind. There's no -lreadline anywhere there.. No curses.. No gcc. No copy/pasting phkmalloc and so on. Absolutely nothing that he didn't write himself. I'm stunned by his achievement. And yet we're googling for videos where he's manic for laughs? Have some fucking respect. If you can't do that then have the manners to keep silent. This person achieved more than any developer I'm aware of and none of us are in position to mock him. Shame on those who are trying to.
    - Kiro 10y ago
      You make it sound like Terry is completely innocent. Have you seen his comments?
      - HeavenBanned 10y ago
        He's a disorganized schizophrenic who exhibits chronic word salad, what else did you expect from a mentally ill person? Sanity? Give me a fucking break, man.
      - phpnode 10y ago
        A sufferer of schizophrenia is not guilty of the way their condition manifests. They are the victim of an illness.
        Kiro 10y ago
        You can't just blame it all on the sickness. He's apparently an extreme racist, crazy or not. The way you put it sounds like he doesn't even exist and is all just the sickness.
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        I suggest the book angelhead to give you some perspective on this. If you come to understand this condition you will regret this comment. https://www.amazon.com/Angelhead-Brothers-Descent-into-Madness/dp/0226067645 https://www.amazon.com/Angelhead-Brothers-Descent-into-Madne...
        Kiro 10y ago
        You make it sound like he's braindead and has no own will. He posts racial slurs even in his most sane comments.
        phpnode 10y ago
        Your comments have all the empathy of someone who has zero understanding of schizophrenia.
        Kiro 10y ago
        Good job of convincing or educating me with that strong argument. How about you tell me how it works instead? Right now you're making it sound like a schizophrenic can do whatever they want, whenever they want because they are victims. Even if it's outside an episode.
peterkelly 10y ago
Here's the thing: Sometimes there are people who are exceptionally talented in a given field, yet suffer from a serious illness or disability. The symptoms can be apparent in their physique (such as Stephen Hawking), or in their mind (such as Terry Davis). I can understand why people who do not have direct experience with mental illness might have trouble separating the symptoms from the person, but I would encourage those who criticise Terry for the highly unfortunate way his illness manifests itself to try to find compassion for the man, not ridicule. I'm willing to bet pretty good money that less than 1% of people on HN, and the software development industry in general, could achieve the technical feats on the level of what Terry has done. In fact it's probably considerably fewer than that. Here's a guy who's built an entire platform from scratch, including kernel, development tools, user interface, and applications. While there are obvious flaws (such as the visual appearance and lack of memory protection), some of the other design decisions like presentation of documentation and the way different parts of the system integrate with each other put mainstream operating systems to shame. We should be emphasising Terry's technical work, not the symptoms of his debilitating illness.
- dvt 10y ago
  I've always felt sad that Terry A. Davis doesn't seem to have a very strong support system (family, friends, children, etc.). There are other brilliant people that have been diagnosed with similar illnesses (Daniel Johnston[0] comes to mind) that were able to retain their public dignity while still doing fantastic work. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Johnston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Johnston
  - brudgers 10y ago
    With dignity is a way of treating people. Whether I do so or not says something about me, not the other person.
    - dvt 10y ago
      That's not right. Dignity is "the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect". Someone has (or doesn't have) dignity irrespective of how they are treated.

I don't know why I'm doing this, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs (Fairly obviously NSFW or the readily-offended if you have the sound on.)

logicallee 10y ago

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cmdrfred 10y ago
Look here's the deal with him. The man is unwell. What do you have to gain from digging down rabbit holes like this? In regards to Terry I have taken a "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything" policy. Every once in a while, if you like his work send him a note telling him so. Don't endeavor to increase his suffering. The same fate may await any of us.
- cyberpunk 10y ago
  I'm with you cmdrfred. I don't understand why anyone would do these things. Terry wrote an entire OS+Bootloader, dozens of remarkable apps for it, the toolchain for the custom programming language it's written in (which he also created) by himself. The scale of that achievement boggles my mind. There's no -lreadline anywhere there.. No curses.. No gcc. No copy/pasting phkmalloc and so on. Absolutely nothing that he didn't write himself. I'm stunned by his achievement. And yet we're googling for videos where he's manic for laughs? Have some fucking respect. If you can't do that then have the manners to keep silent. This person achieved more than any developer I'm aware of and none of us are in position to mock him. Shame on those who are trying to.
  - Kiro 10y ago
    You make it sound like Terry is completely innocent. Have you seen his comments?
    - HeavenBanned 10y ago
      He's a disorganized schizophrenic who exhibits chronic word salad, what else did you expect from a mentally ill person? Sanity? Give me a fucking break, man.
    - phpnode 10y ago
      A sufferer of schizophrenia is not guilty of the way their condition manifests. They are the victim of an illness.
      - Kiro 10y ago
        You can't just blame it all on the sickness. He's apparently an extreme racist, crazy or not. The way you put it sounds like he doesn't even exist and is all just the sickness.
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        I suggest the book angelhead to give you some perspective on this. If you come to understand this condition you will regret this comment. https://www.amazon.com/Angelhead-Brothers-Descent-into-Madness/dp/0226067645 https://www.amazon.com/Angelhead-Brothers-Descent-into-Madne...
        Kiro 10y ago
        You make it sound like he's braindead and has no own will. He posts racial slurs even in his most sane comments.
        phpnode 10y ago
        Your comments have all the empathy of someone who has zero understanding of schizophrenia.
        Kiro 10y ago
        Good job of convincing or educating me with that strong argument. How about you tell me how it works instead? Right now you're making it sound like a schizophrenic can do whatever they want, whenever they want because they are victims. Even if it's outside an episode.

peterkelly 10y ago

Here's the thing: Sometimes there are people who are exceptionally talented in a given field, yet suffer from a serious illness or disability. The symptoms can be apparent in their physique (such as Stephen Hawking), or in their mind (such as Terry Davis). I can understand why people who do not have direct experience with mental illness might have trouble separating the symptoms from the person, but I would encourage those who criticise Terry for the highly unfortunate way his illness manifests itself to try to find compassion for the man, not ridicule. I'm willing to bet pretty good money that less than 1% of people on HN, and the software development industry in general, could achieve the technical feats on the level of what Terry has done. In fact it's probably considerably fewer than that. Here's a guy who's built an entire platform from scratch, including kernel, development tools, user interface, and applications. While there are obvious flaws (such as the visual appearance and lack of memory protection), some of the other design decisions like presentation of documentation and the way different parts of the system integrate with each other put mainstream operating systems to shame. We should be emphasising Terry's technical work, not the symptoms of his debilitating illness.

dvt 10y ago
I've always felt sad that Terry A. Davis doesn't seem to have a very strong support system (family, friends, children, etc.). There are other brilliant people that have been diagnosed with similar illnesses (Daniel Johnston[0] comes to mind) that were able to retain their public dignity while still doing fantastic work. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Johnston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Johnston
- brudgers 10y ago
  With dignity is a way of treating people. Whether I do so or not says something about me, not the other person.
  - dvt 10y ago
    That's not right. Dignity is "the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect". Someone has (or doesn't have) dignity irrespective of how they are treated.