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Yeah, imagine your Trumpista ICE agrent walking down the street with a camera that flags people who aren't in the database (ie, no valid driver's license or pas

Yeah, imagine your Trumpista ICE agrent walking down the street with a camera that flags people who aren't in the database (ie, no valid driver's license or passport). Welcome to 2017

jrockway 10y ago
This doesn't mean much. They can flag you for whatever, but not having ID isn't a crime, so a flag is the most they can do. Let's say they think that not having an ID means you're an illegal immigrant. They have to prove that in court, while you don't have to prove that you aren't.
- wavefunction 10y ago
  Police can do whatever they want. Here's an article about several people who were arrested (and booked into custody) for "failure to identify" themselves[0] [0]http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/02/yes-police-can-arrest-you-refusing-identify-yourself/8485/ http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/02/yes-police-can-arrest-y...
  - gnaritas 10y ago
    More accurately, police "will" do whatever they want; they aren't lawyers and frankly barely understand the laws they're supposed to enforce. They think they're allowed to do things they're not allowed to do all the time, because the reality is they're mostly thugs and simply aren't that bright.
  - beezle 10y ago
    As noted in the article, its only a violation if you fail to identify yourself after being arrested. What is not clear to me is whether it is sufficient to just give your name? I often go out without my wallet and I'm not sure why there would be any legal presumption that a citzen would produce some type of government document to serve as "ID".
    - DINKDINK 10y ago
      "Prove that you're a citizen!, I suspect you of entering the country without state approval!"
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  If you're detained for a suspected immigration violation they don't even have to give you a hearing for 6 months. Criminal justice procedure does not apply to the immigration detention system.
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    6 months isn't so long to wait for a hearing in the US justice system either, is it?

Yeah, imagine your Trumpista ICE agrent walking down the street with a camera that flags people who aren't in the database (ie, no valid driver's license or passport). Welcome to 2017

jrockway 10y ago

This doesn't mean much. They can flag you for whatever, but not having ID isn't a crime, so a flag is the most they can do. Let's say they think that not having an ID means you're an illegal immigrant. They have to prove that in court, while you don't have to prove that you aren't.

wavefunction 10y ago
Police can do whatever they want. Here's an article about several people who were arrested (and booked into custody) for "failure to identify" themselves[0] [0]http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/02/yes-police-can-arrest-you-refusing-identify-yourself/8485/ http://www.citylab.com/crime/2014/02/yes-police-can-arrest-y...
- gnaritas 10y ago
  More accurately, police "will" do whatever they want; they aren't lawyers and frankly barely understand the laws they're supposed to enforce. They think they're allowed to do things they're not allowed to do all the time, because the reality is they're mostly thugs and simply aren't that bright.
- beezle 10y ago
  As noted in the article, its only a violation if you fail to identify yourself after being arrested. What is not clear to me is whether it is sufficient to just give your name? I often go out without my wallet and I'm not sure why there would be any legal presumption that a citzen would produce some type of government document to serve as "ID".
  - DINKDINK 10y ago
    "Prove that you're a citizen!, I suspect you of entering the country without state approval!"
anigbrowl 10y ago
If you're detained for a suspected immigration violation they don't even have to give you a hearing for 6 months. Criminal justice procedure does not apply to the immigration detention system.
- brokenmachine 10y ago
  6 months isn't so long to wait for a hearing in the US justice system either, is it?