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> You sidestepped the workplace death question No, I didn't. We have an entire legal and regulatory bureaucracy dedicated to improving working conditions in d

> You sidestepped the workplace death question No, I didn't. We have an entire legal and regulatory bureaucracy dedicated to improving working conditions in dangerous work places. I'm pretty willing to bet that the cost of that bureaucracy -- per year -- is easily several orders of magnitude more than all the money spent to date on encouraging women to take STEM jobs. I could Google it for you, but this is apparently an issue dear to your heart, so I'm sure you're well aware. Are these protections perfect? No. We should strengthen them! Also, we should have less gender disparity in STEM. I'm really still missing the zero-sum relationship between these two things... could you help me out? > Why are we so worried about forcing women into STEM no matter what, but we don't care about forcing them into the jobs that cause all those workplace deaths 1. Who said anything about "forcing"? 2. HUGE elephant in the room: because this is a tech-focused message board. Again, why is it so surprising that we're discussing the tech industry as opposed to the healthcare or education industries? > nursing... teachers Great. Someone should do something about that. Still not sure why you think any of this is a reason for software engineers to refrain from discussing and addressing similar culture problems within software engineering firms. Discussing gender disparities between different fields is not, in fact, a zero-sum game.

Chris2048 10y ago
> Great. Someone should do something about that. The institutions pushing for change in IT are often not IT specific. The question is why do they focus on IT. They are the "someone" who should be doing something.
- throwaway729 10y ago
  This is all starting to sound extraordinarily conspiratorial. Who is this "they"? To re-iterate, I'm still not sure why you think any of this is a reason for software engineers to refrain from discussing and addressing culture problems within software engineering firms.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    > This is all starting to sound I believe this is my first comment in this thread. Want to substantiate that? > refrain from discussing and addressing culture problems within software engineering firms That's not the issue, the issue is the unusual pressure and increased scrutiny tech receives relative to other industries. The various forms of tokenism, and HR risk-avoidance has nothing to do with a "discussion", it is very much one-sided.

Chris2048 10y ago

> Great. Someone should do something about that. The institutions pushing for change in IT are often not IT specific. The question is why do they focus on IT. They are the "someone" who should be doing something.

throwaway729 10y ago
This is all starting to sound extraordinarily conspiratorial. Who is this "they"? To re-iterate, I'm still not sure why you think any of this is a reason for software engineers to refrain from discussing and addressing culture problems within software engineering firms.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > This is all starting to sound I believe this is my first comment in this thread. Want to substantiate that? > refrain from discussing and addressing culture problems within software engineering firms That's not the issue, the issue is the unusual pressure and increased scrutiny tech receives relative to other industries. The various forms of tokenism, and HR risk-avoidance has nothing to do with a "discussion", it is very much one-sided.