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>> Steve Jobs says Apple "created" WebKit. That wording makes it sounds like it started from nothing. That wording is also more TechCrunch's than Steve's. Ste

by Legion 16y ago

>> Steve Jobs says Apple "created" WebKit. That wording makes it sounds like it started from nothing. That wording is also more TechCrunch's than Steve's. Steve's words: > Well Chrome is not... you know. And it's based on webkit, work we did at Apple. > Almost every modern browser is based on webkit... Nokia, Palm, Android, RIM has one... and of course ours. > We've created a real competitor to IE. In the mobile space it's #1. (link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-live-from-d8/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-live-from-d8/) While that still takes more credit than I'd care to see, "work we did at Apple" definitely is a softer statement than "Apple 'created' WebKit". Even though the word "created" does come up a couple of sentences later...

tel 16y ago
"... created a real competitor..." Which I'd have to give to them completely. KHTML wasn't going to compete with IE on its own.
sireat 16y ago
"work we did at Apple" is the politicians way of saying that they created it. Compare it to the infamous "I took the initiative in creating ..." To nitpickers like us, they can say that they did not create it, but to a regular reader/listener it sounds like they did.
dieterrams 16y ago
After watching some of the video footage, I noticed that Engadget's transcription is often highly paraphrased. So I transcribed directly from one of the D8 videos: Steve: We took a tiny little open source project, and we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source. So it turns out that he did say they "created" WebKit, but he also points out that it was created using an existing open source project. Turns out this thread was a lot of hubbub over nothing, as I suspected. Unless someone wants to gripe about KHTML being described as "tiny little".
- nailer 16y ago
  > and we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source. He's acting like Apple had a choice about the licensing of someone else's work.
  - dieterrams 16y ago
    When you choose to build off a LGPLed project, you are choosing to open source the work you put into it. They could have easily chosen not to build off a LGPLed project. Stop fishing for perceived slights. This is petty, and a waste of the internet.
    - nailer 16y ago
      When you chose to use an OSS project, you choose to follow the license, sure. But what Jobs said - 'we put it in open source' - implies that it KHTML wasn't already OSS.
      - dieterrams 16y ago
        Dear god, did you completely fail to read the first part of the quote? How can he imply that KHTML wasn't already open source when he specifically refers to it as open source? The "interesting thing for Apple" is that they chose to put their efforts into an open source project in the first place. Apple, the company that likes to control its software as much as possible. This is all he's saying. Don't read anything more into it than that.
        nailer 16y ago
        Yes I did. The full quote is: > Steve: We took a tiny little open source project, and we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source. which doesn't serve any value beyond simply saying: "We took a tiny little open source project, and worked on it." Steve adding 'we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source' makes no sense - it's either: - redundant (KHTML was already LGPLed, so obviously Apple's patches would be) - implying Webkit was something 'created' by Apple that Apple had choice over their licensing with. To me it seems the latter, which is somewhat disingenuous. You obviously disagree. Invoking spiritual beings is unnecessary.

by Legion 16y ago

tel 16y ago

"... created a real competitor..." Which I'd have to give to them completely. KHTML wasn't going to compete with IE on its own.

sireat 16y ago

"work we did at Apple" is the politicians way of saying that they created it. Compare it to the infamous "I took the initiative in creating ..." To nitpickers like us, they can say that they did not create it, but to a regular reader/listener it sounds like they did.

dieterrams 16y ago

After watching some of the video footage, I noticed that Engadget's transcription is often highly paraphrased. So I transcribed directly from one of the D8 videos: Steve: We took a tiny little open source project, and we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source. So it turns out that he did say they "created" WebKit, but he also points out that it was created using an existing open source project. Turns out this thread was a lot of hubbub over nothing, as I suspected. Unless someone wants to gripe about KHTML being described as "tiny little".

nailer 16y ago
> and we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source. He's acting like Apple had a choice about the licensing of someone else's work.
- dieterrams 16y ago
  When you choose to build off a LGPLed project, you are choosing to open source the work you put into it. They could have easily chosen not to build off a LGPLed project. Stop fishing for perceived slights. This is petty, and a waste of the internet.
  - nailer 16y ago
    When you chose to use an OSS project, you choose to follow the license, sure. But what Jobs said - 'we put it in open source' - implies that it KHTML wasn't already OSS.
    - dieterrams 16y ago
      Dear god, did you completely fail to read the first part of the quote? How can he imply that KHTML wasn't already open source when he specifically refers to it as open source? The "interesting thing for Apple" is that they chose to put their efforts into an open source project in the first place. Apple, the company that likes to control its software as much as possible. This is all he's saying. Don't read anything more into it than that.
      - nailer 16y ago
        Yes I did. The full quote is: > Steve: We took a tiny little open source project, and we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source. which doesn't serve any value beyond simply saying: "We took a tiny little open source project, and worked on it." Steve adding 'we created what's called "WebKit" out there, and we did an interesting thing for Apple: we put it in open source' makes no sense - it's either: - redundant (KHTML was already LGPLed, so obviously Apple's patches would be) - implying Webkit was something 'created' by Apple that Apple had choice over their licensing with. To me it seems the latter, which is somewhat disingenuous. You obviously disagree. Invoking spiritual beings is unnecessary.