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The entire point is that tipping shouldn't make the difference between being able to pay your heating bill. Tipping, as it exists in the US, is pretty much a d

by sbov 10y ago

The entire point is that tipping shouldn't make the difference between being able to pay your heating bill. Tipping, as it exists in the US, is pretty much a dark pattern.

Bahamut 10y ago
Then Uber should raise their rates - as it is, they take a greater cut of the fare than Lyft, charge less than Lyft, and don't offer tipping (which is always optional). This is a worse deal for the drivers overall from what drivers on both Uber and Lyft tell me, which is why I don't understand the tipping argument for when it comes to specifically using Uber or Lyft.
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- mahyarm 10y ago
  From what I've heard from drivers, lyft pays a bit more but pays less in incentives, uber pays less base but pays a bunch through incentives, and they tend to get pings more.
sillysaurus3 10y ago
"Shouldn't" and "doesn't" are worlds apart. I think most people hate tipping because they hate when people ask for tips. But a formal tipping system might reduce the number of Uber drivers who already ask for tips.
- mikeash 10y ago
  People almost never ask for tips. I think people hate tipling because it severely complicates what should be a simple situation, and makes honest people feel like they're being taken advantage of since assholes can tip less or not at all with no repercussions.
- sbov 10y ago
  I hate tipping because the rules are arbitrary, random, and unspoken. I have a few friends who work as servers in restaurants: anecdote, but they view anything under 20% of the bill total (including tax) as a "bad tip". This is partially because credit card receipts only include the total, not the tax separated out. So really, anything under around 22% is a bad tip. I tip 22% for full service, 10% for partial. If I go to the bar, I tip 10%, or a dollar/drink if I'm paying cash. If I'm ordering takeaway somewhere, I tip around 5%. I have no idea which of these are reasonable or not, because there is no "tipping class". I have no idea if places I regularly go like to spit in my food because I tip like shit.
  - differentView 10y ago
    > This is partially because credit card receipts only include the total, not the tax separated out. So really, anything under around 22% is a bad tip. Can you explain the math? Why is this amount higher than 20% rather than lower than 20%?
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    - sbov 10y ago
      The credit card receipt shows 1 total: food+tax. So the amount the server is basing the tip off is higher than what I am. So for me to tip what they think is 20%, I have to tip what I think is 22%.
      - differentView 10y ago
        Ah, got it. I tip base off of the pre-tax amount just out of principle.
hackuser 10y ago
> The entire point is that tipping shouldn't make the difference between being able to pay your heating bill. According to who? Certainly many restaurant workers in the U.S. earn most of their income from tipping.

by sbov 10y ago

The entire point is that tipping shouldn't make the difference between being able to pay your heating bill. Tipping, as it exists in the US, is pretty much a dark pattern.

Bahamut 10y ago

Then Uber should raise their rates - as it is, they take a greater cut of the fare than Lyft, charge less than Lyft, and don't offer tipping (which is always optional). This is a worse deal for the drivers overall from what drivers on both Uber and Lyft tell me, which is why I don't understand the tipping argument for when it comes to specifically using Uber or Lyft.

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mahyarm 10y ago
From what I've heard from drivers, lyft pays a bit more but pays less in incentives, uber pays less base but pays a bunch through incentives, and they tend to get pings more.

sillysaurus3 10y ago

"Shouldn't" and "doesn't" are worlds apart. I think most people hate tipping because they hate when people ask for tips. But a formal tipping system might reduce the number of Uber drivers who already ask for tips.

mikeash 10y ago
People almost never ask for tips. I think people hate tipling because it severely complicates what should be a simple situation, and makes honest people feel like they're being taken advantage of since assholes can tip less or not at all with no repercussions.
sbov 10y ago
I hate tipping because the rules are arbitrary, random, and unspoken. I have a few friends who work as servers in restaurants: anecdote, but they view anything under 20% of the bill total (including tax) as a "bad tip". This is partially because credit card receipts only include the total, not the tax separated out. So really, anything under around 22% is a bad tip. I tip 22% for full service, 10% for partial. If I go to the bar, I tip 10%, or a dollar/drink if I'm paying cash. If I'm ordering takeaway somewhere, I tip around 5%. I have no idea which of these are reasonable or not, because there is no "tipping class". I have no idea if places I regularly go like to spit in my food because I tip like shit.
- differentView 10y ago
  > This is partially because credit card receipts only include the total, not the tax separated out. So really, anything under around 22% is a bad tip. Can you explain the math? Why is this amount higher than 20% rather than lower than 20%?
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  - sbov 10y ago
    The credit card receipt shows 1 total: food+tax. So the amount the server is basing the tip off is higher than what I am. So for me to tip what they think is 20%, I have to tip what I think is 22%.
    - differentView 10y ago
      Ah, got it. I tip base off of the pre-tax amount just out of principle.

hackuser 10y ago

> The entire point is that tipping shouldn't make the difference between being able to pay your heating bill. According to who? Certainly many restaurant workers in the U.S. earn most of their income from tipping.