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In my experience, many anti-spa people have seen too many poorly implemented single page apps (web fundamentals broken such as links and uris) and/or have out-o

by Yaggo 10y ago

In my experience, many anti-spa people have seen too many poorly implemented single page apps (web fundamentals broken such as links and uris) and/or have out-of-date information that spa cannot properly support such things. Cannot blame them, althought the situation is better nowadays, it's still not uncommon to find a spa site where the said things are broken.

chiefalchemist 10y ago
I think you make a good point, even if indirectly. That is, the technology keeps changing but the products and experiences seem to remain subpar, frustrating, wonky, etc. Perhaps these technologies are progress from a pure technology POV, but if real end users were to judge what would they say? Are we drinking too much of our own Kool Aid? Still? Again?
- nperez 10y ago
  I think the experiences are getting better. My first SPA projects were with Angular 1.x and for the whole duration that I was using it, I found that I could point out an Angular 1.x based site off of gut feeling / familiarity with certain pain points (hi Seamless). I feel like there was a huge reduction in bug-prone madness when React + the Flux pattern started gaining steam. We are still collectively working toward an end (reliable software in the browser) but it's impossible for me not to feel the difference in the past few years, as a dev and a user. SPAs are sort of a hack. The web was designed for documents that link to each other. Maybe they'll never be perfect until we reach some sort of impossible isomorphic framework utopia, but there is real progress being made
  - chiefalchemist 10y ago
    You might think that. As might I :) What I'm suggesting is you ask your mother, father, grandparents,other developers, the person working the counter at the cafe, etc. Listen closely. I'm not so sure there's massive support to believe UXs are improving noticably.

by Yaggo 10y ago

chiefalchemist 10y ago

I think you make a good point, even if indirectly. That is, the technology keeps changing but the products and experiences seem to remain subpar, frustrating, wonky, etc. Perhaps these technologies are progress from a pure technology POV, but if real end users were to judge what would they say? Are we drinking too much of our own Kool Aid? Still? Again?

nperez 10y ago
I think the experiences are getting better. My first SPA projects were with Angular 1.x and for the whole duration that I was using it, I found that I could point out an Angular 1.x based site off of gut feeling / familiarity with certain pain points (hi Seamless). I feel like there was a huge reduction in bug-prone madness when React + the Flux pattern started gaining steam. We are still collectively working toward an end (reliable software in the browser) but it's impossible for me not to feel the difference in the past few years, as a dev and a user. SPAs are sort of a hack. The web was designed for documents that link to each other. Maybe they'll never be perfect until we reach some sort of impossible isomorphic framework utopia, but there is real progress being made
- chiefalchemist 10y ago
  You might think that. As might I :) What I'm suggesting is you ask your mother, father, grandparents,other developers, the person working the counter at the cafe, etc. Listen closely. I'm not so sure there's massive support to believe UXs are improving noticably.