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Interesting, I wonder if it's like the EMV credit cards. I wonder if this stuff is standardized, are the ID and credit card chips the same? Having the same read

by Keverw 10y ago

Interesting, I wonder if it's like the EMV credit cards. I wonder if this stuff is standardized, are the ID and credit card chips the same? Having the same readers would be useful, especially if all countries started doing that. Would be a little insane to have like a tower of card readers at like airports. "Oh your from America use the one in the middle" "Your from Canada use the one at the bottom." If the same hardware, then I guess the only different would be that the public keys would be associated with somthing else. But it's probably a huge patent mess to make this a standard for all countries and states. I know two stores in my area that don't even support chip cards and this was within going in the past year. One has the readers, but they don't work. The other has no chip readers at all. I always thought paper signing was a bit outdated, especially since schools don't teach cursive really. We spent like a hour on it, and then next topic! But then if someone stole your ID, lost it, etc... They could sign for things... but people can forge your signature anyways... Maybe if the machine had a camera in it to take a selfie when you use the card, but a bit creepy in a way to.

kuschku 10y ago
Yes, they are the same standard. In Germany this is actually used in all cigarette or alcohol dispensers. You can pay via EC card or via cash, but you first need to verify age via EC card or ID. EC cards (kinda like debit cards) and ID cards have two age verification functions, of which only one per minute can be called, these just verify if the account holder is > 16 or > 18. So you press the button to get a bottle of beer, the system checks if you’re 16, you pay, and you get it. Or you press the button to get a bottle of vodka, the system checks if you’re 18, you pay, and you get it. All this is standard tech, supported by any normal RFID or card reader, and you can use the same reader for secure home banking, for verification, etc.
ardaozkal 10y ago
Well, the standardization was covered by others, so here's stuff about forgery: The Turkish Govt's new ID allows you to- no, it requires you to set a password. You are given an 8 character PIN code when you apply for the ID, and you can change it from the kiosks at the citizenship bureau. It allows between 4 and 16 characters (while I chose 16 myself, most people will choose a 4 character one :( ). Plus, even if it gets stolen along with the password, technically the certificate can be revoked as soon as you report it, preventing forgery.

by Keverw 10y ago

kuschku 10y ago

Yes, they are the same standard. In Germany this is actually used in all cigarette or alcohol dispensers. You can pay via EC card or via cash, but you first need to verify age via EC card or ID. EC cards (kinda like debit cards) and ID cards have two age verification functions, of which only one per minute can be called, these just verify if the account holder is > 16 or > 18. So you press the button to get a bottle of beer, the system checks if you’re 16, you pay, and you get it. Or you press the button to get a bottle of vodka, the system checks if you’re 18, you pay, and you get it. All this is standard tech, supported by any normal RFID or card reader, and you can use the same reader for secure home banking, for verification, etc.

ardaozkal 10y ago

Well, the standardization was covered by others, so here's stuff about forgery: The Turkish Govt's new ID allows you to- no, it requires you to set a password. You are given an 8 character PIN code when you apply for the ID, and you can change it from the kiosks at the citizenship bureau. It allows between 4 and 16 characters (while I chose 16 myself, most people will choose a 4 character one :( ). Plus, even if it gets stolen along with the password, technically the certificate can be revoked as soon as you report it, preventing forgery.