> I've never found these lists particularly constructive. If someone makes an error in logic you should be able to take it apart from first principles. That's

> I've never found these lists particularly constructive. If someone makes an error in logic you should be able to take it apart from first principles. That's fine but it also leads to a shift of burden of proof on the counter argument rather than the initial claim. In turn, this leads to "proving a negative" and it is generally quite impossible to do so. Therefore, one needs to be careful with the line of arguments. Personally, I have also found that the best way to counter a fallacy is to ask the claimant to substantiate his/her stance.