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That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing
by dan7678 10y ago
That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon.
With that said, divorce in a Muslim setting is no free lunch. The couple agrees before the marriage on a certain amount of money (or any other thing) given to the woman in case of divorce. The only time that isn't given is when the woman asks for it herself (for obvious reasons -- the woman can 'play' the man into a marriage in very lenient divorce terms, and divorce on purpose afterwards for it). Not sure what the terms of divorce were for this woman and her past 3 marriages, but she should be careful what she agrees on.
- elastic_church 10y agoIf you think any of those things are absolutes then you are in for a bad time Even Shariah relies on interpretation
- dan7678 10y agoAre you claiming it's an opinion or something "up for interpretation" whether it's a sin to prefer boys over girls in Islam? Or it's an opinion or only an interpretation that woman are allowed an agreement before the marriage regarding the circumstances for divorce in Islam?
- elastic_church 10y agoyep. all. want to go to war about it? actually idgaf I'm just here for the oil
- dominotw 10y ago>Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. anyone who doesn't follow the book to the tee is not a muslim ? What about Muslims who don't 'kill the infidels' , they aren't Muslims either? Is anyone a muslim at all then?
- BadassFractal 10y agoExactly. Literal reading of sacred texts isn't exactly the answer to dealing with the incompatibility of religious dogma with modern secular western values.
- dan7678 10y agoI agree with you, there are so many places in religious texts where we would be ridiculous and possibly have some evil agenda to read the text literally. But in other places, we have 'proof' (if you will) from the "Sunnah" (way) of the last Islamic Prophet regarding those exact things, so there's no debate nor room for interpretation. For this particular point, we have too much "proof" (in the same regard), so that's why there's no room for interpretation here and the question of reading things literally is irrelevant.
- dan7678 10y agoIt's a matter of belief. I made the assumption that those people "probably don't care", implying they probably don't believe that something like that's a sin. When you don't believe in it, you're not a Muslim. If they still believe in it and yet do it, it's a major sin indeed, and they are still Muslims. But Muslims possibly bound for hell. 'Killing the infidels' isn't a requirement of action nor are you bound by belief to do so to be a Muslim. Can you cite a full Surah from the Qur'an where this is unequivocally required of Muslims, under all circumstances?
- AvenueIngres 10y agoOne of the theological cornerstones of Islam, is that the Quran is the perfect, direct and unalterable word of Allah. If you have faith in Allah, if you truly believe that he is the author of this world, and if you accept Muhammad as its prophet. Then, I genuinely wonder what room is left for compromises. How do you interpret "Kill the apostates"? How can you, in good faith, pretend it is an allegory? This is what Islam requires from its followers: blind and complete trust. It is not only a sacred book. The Quran is a civil code that aims to regulate every minute of the lives of its adherents. And let's stop kidding ourselves. It is not a peaceful religion either. Islam has conquest and expansion ingrained in its DNA. The Muslim world is extremely orthodoxical. There are peaceful Muslims living in the West. They are peaceful in spite of their holy book, not because of it. Those individuals should be celebrated. We're asking a violent bedouin who lived in a pre-medieval era to share our hierarchy of values and ethical system. This is anachronistic and cannot end well. Muhammad was not a hippie. He was a warlord.