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toomuchtodo 10y ago
Short comment, but entirely true. The cost decline curve of solar and wind has been stupid: Wind is below 2 cents/kwh unsubsidized, solar still around 6-8 cents/kwh unsubsidized; natural gas is destroying the demand for coal, and renewables are destroying demand for nuclear. As renewable deployments accelerate, they will push out natural gas generation (along with cheaper battery storage). Electric vehicles are here! Go get one. If not a Tesla, a Bolt, a Leaf, or perhaps a Volt if you still can't commit entirely to a battery electric vehicle alone. There's a federal tax credit in it for you. Need your roof replaced? Order some Tesla solar tiles; orders are being taken as of next month, with delivery near the end of the year. A 30% federal tax credit to have your roof replaced is a pretty swank deal, along with the roof producing power (most likely) for the remaining life of the home. (I disregard state incentives for the purposes of this comment, but do check if your state has them, many do) Regardless of technologic advancement, people still need to make the right choices in aggregate; get your LEDs in them fixtures, insulate your home, buy energy efficiency appliances (your utility probably pays a rebate for doing so). We'll still need to work on bovine methane emissions [1], marine [2], and air fossil fuel consumption, but there's still a lot of low hanging fruit for us to capture. [1] http://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2016/11/seaweed-may-be-the-solution-for-burping-cows/ http://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/th... [2] https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/models/nonrdmdl/c-marine/r00002.pdf https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/models/nonrdmdl/c-marine/r00002.pd... [3] http://www.iata.org/policy/environment/Pages/climate-change.aspx http://www.iata.org/policy/environment/Pages/climate-change....
- ThomPete 10y ago
  storage haven't been solved and a large part of the entire economy is based on debt in the fossile fuel industry. renewables are not destroying the deman for nuclear as the worlds energy demand will continue to rise quite substantially as 1 billion people enter the middle class over the next decades.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Nuclear is ~6-8 cents/kWh, which wind and solar already beat, regardless of capacity factor.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      But wind and solat cant deliver enough and its not storable yet, solve that and you have my support until then i am going to stick to supporting any effort to build nuclear over wind. Solar is different.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      But wind and solat cant deliver enough and its not storable yet, solve that and you have my support until then i am going to stick to supporting any effort to build nuclear over wind. Solar is different.

Short comment, but entirely true. The cost decline curve of solar and wind has been stupid: Wind is below 2 cents/kwh unsubsidized, solar still around 6-8 cents/kwh unsubsidized; natural gas is destroying the demand for coal, and renewables are destroying demand for nuclear. As renewable deployments accelerate, they will push out natural gas generation (along with cheaper battery storage). Electric vehicles are here! Go get one. If not a Tesla, a Bolt, a Leaf, or perhaps a Volt if you still can't commit entirely to a battery electric vehicle alone. There's a federal tax credit in it for you. Need your roof replaced? Order some Tesla solar tiles; orders are being taken as of next month, with delivery near the end of the year. A 30% federal tax credit to have your roof replaced is a pretty swank deal, along with the roof producing power (most likely) for the remaining life of the home. (I disregard state incentives for the purposes of this comment, but do check if your state has them, many do) Regardless of technologic advancement, people still need to make the right choices in aggregate; get your LEDs in them fixtures, insulate your home, buy energy efficiency appliances (your utility probably pays a rebate for doing so). We'll still need to work on bovine methane emissions [1], marine [2], and air fossil fuel consumption, but there's still a lot of low hanging fruit for us to capture. [1] http://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2016/11/seaweed-may-be-the-solution-for-burping-cows/ http://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/th... [2] https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/models/nonrdmdl/c-marine/r00002.pdf https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/models/nonrdmdl/c-marine/r00002.pd... [3] http://www.iata.org/policy/environment/Pages/climate-change.aspx http://www.iata.org/policy/environment/Pages/climate-change....

ThomPete 10y ago
storage haven't been solved and a large part of the entire economy is based on debt in the fossile fuel industry. renewables are not destroying the deman for nuclear as the worlds energy demand will continue to rise quite substantially as 1 billion people enter the middle class over the next decades.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  Nuclear is ~6-8 cents/kWh, which wind and solar already beat, regardless of capacity factor.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    But wind and solat cant deliver enough and its not storable yet, solve that and you have my support until then i am going to stick to supporting any effort to build nuclear over wind. Solar is different.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    But wind and solat cant deliver enough and its not storable yet, solve that and you have my support until then i am going to stick to supporting any effort to build nuclear over wind. Solar is different.