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> sub 1% chance of being killed by a crazy person. Please don't attribute homicidal political views to insanity. These people don't have schizophrenia, and peo

by emmab 10y ago

> sub 1% chance of being killed by a crazy person. Please don't attribute homicidal political views to insanity. These people don't have schizophrenia, and people with schizophrenia aren't terrorists.

simonbarker87 10y ago
There is also a wide spectrum of mental illnesses that aren't schizophrenia that may make people act in these ways. While OP was being flippant I don't think the essence of what they were saying is out of line, doing something extreme and causing a lot of harm and damage could justifiably be called crazy even if not medically accurate with out being a slur on those with diagnosed a mental illness.
tomc1985 10y ago
'Crazy' refers to more than schizophrenia... nobody uses that word to refer to an exclusive group anymore
seanhandley 10y ago
Terrorists are politically motivated murderers. So are soldiers in any army. The only difference is in who they answer to.
- humanrebar 10y ago
  You just called a lot of really honorable people murderers. Murder is unjust killing. Killing civilians to make a point or to cause chaos is, by definition, murder. Let's not equate that with all the legitimate things armed forces are for.
  - megous 10y ago
    Sorry, many soldiers are murderers. There's clear intention to kill. And justification does not happen simply because some idiot in power tells someone to go kill other people for political reasons. And coalition is also killing civilians for political reasons, more than thousand of them a month ATM. It is obviously calculated. It's just that someone determined murdering perhaps 5-10 thousands civilians is a OK to give power over Mosul back to Iraqi government, and gave it a go.
    - cperciva 10y ago
      Murder is, by definition, an unlawful killing.
      - Spivak 10y ago
        And the definition as it exists in a given body of law is not an absolute definition nor how people typically use the term. The Catholic Church is a good example. The fifth commandment is thou shall not murder. And the Catechism clarifies this by saying > The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful. The murderer and those who cooperate voluntarily in murder commit a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance. Source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2...
      - megous 10y ago
        There's no single law. Is there a law in Somalia that allows US killing arbitrary people there, unilaterally? Is there such a law in Yemen? Syria? In Syria if you follow the letter of the law, and intention of the (idiot) leader there, he's against the US involvement, it would be a murder. What law was in Vietnam, that killing was somehow justified by it? In international arena, there's no universal law. Some idiots killed a few thousands Americans, and then some Americans did go on a killing rampage as a revenge, murdering 10s of thousands mostly unrelated people. That's about how it looks from the outside.
  - beedogs 10y ago
    > You just called a lot of really honorable people murderers. Pretty much every single person involved in, say, the Iraq war was indeed a murderer. Most of the battles the West has engaged in since WWII were unjust and ill-founded. The people involved in those wars are murderers.
humanrebar 10y ago
There's also a grey area where someone does something horrible and clearly politically motivated (shooting Reagan or Senator Giffords, shooting at Ft. Hood) and that person has mental health issues. There's a semantic discussion about whether "lone gunmen" type attacks count as "terrorism", but categorizing motivations in real life as politics or insanity isn't so simple.

by emmab 10y ago

simonbarker87 10y ago

There is also a wide spectrum of mental illnesses that aren't schizophrenia that may make people act in these ways. While OP was being flippant I don't think the essence of what they were saying is out of line, doing something extreme and causing a lot of harm and damage could justifiably be called crazy even if not medically accurate with out being a slur on those with diagnosed a mental illness.

tomc1985 10y ago

'Crazy' refers to more than schizophrenia... nobody uses that word to refer to an exclusive group anymore

seanhandley 10y ago

Terrorists are politically motivated murderers. So are soldiers in any army. The only difference is in who they answer to.

humanrebar 10y ago
You just called a lot of really honorable people murderers. Murder is unjust killing. Killing civilians to make a point or to cause chaos is, by definition, murder. Let's not equate that with all the legitimate things armed forces are for.
- megous 10y ago
  Sorry, many soldiers are murderers. There's clear intention to kill. And justification does not happen simply because some idiot in power tells someone to go kill other people for political reasons. And coalition is also killing civilians for political reasons, more than thousand of them a month ATM. It is obviously calculated. It's just that someone determined murdering perhaps 5-10 thousands civilians is a OK to give power over Mosul back to Iraqi government, and gave it a go.
  - cperciva 10y ago
    Murder is, by definition, an unlawful killing.
    - Spivak 10y ago
      And the definition as it exists in a given body of law is not an absolute definition nor how people typically use the term. The Catholic Church is a good example. The fifth commandment is thou shall not murder. And the Catechism clarifies this by saying > The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful. The murderer and those who cooperate voluntarily in murder commit a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance. Source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2...
    - megous 10y ago
      There's no single law. Is there a law in Somalia that allows US killing arbitrary people there, unilaterally? Is there such a law in Yemen? Syria? In Syria if you follow the letter of the law, and intention of the (idiot) leader there, he's against the US involvement, it would be a murder. What law was in Vietnam, that killing was somehow justified by it? In international arena, there's no universal law. Some idiots killed a few thousands Americans, and then some Americans did go on a killing rampage as a revenge, murdering 10s of thousands mostly unrelated people. That's about how it looks from the outside.
- beedogs 10y ago
  > You just called a lot of really honorable people murderers. Pretty much every single person involved in, say, the Iraq war was indeed a murderer. Most of the battles the West has engaged in since WWII were unjust and ill-founded. The people involved in those wars are murderers.

humanrebar 10y ago

There's also a grey area where someone does something horrible and clearly politically motivated (shooting Reagan or Senator Giffords, shooting at Ft. Hood) and that person has mental health issues. There's a semantic discussion about whether "lone gunmen" type attacks count as "terrorism", but categorizing motivations in real life as politics or insanity isn't so simple.