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It would be cheaper to open up the country, introduce a democratic system and actual human rights, and abolish the death penality. Make peace with Tibet, agree

by tehabe 10y ago

It would be cheaper to open up the country, introduce a democratic system and actual human rights, and abolish the death penality. Make peace with Tibet, agree with Taiwan on a good neighborhood. Support a democratic change also in North Korea. These would actually make China a country I could support, but currently: no, thank you.

thatfrenchguy 10y ago
Are you talking about the United States here ?
- tehabe 10y ago
  The US could also finally get rid of the death penalty, but it is still a democracy, with a working court system. Can change faster than you think but maybe, just maybe, it won't.
  - mentallymeta 10y ago
    >but it is still a democracy That can be argued: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...
  - herbst 10y ago
    Swiss here. I never understood how Americans can believe to live in a functional democracy. Seems far fetched to me Most decisions are not made within a democratic process but decided by leaders who are usually not voted for ether
mazerackham 10y ago
this is such a prototypical example of utter western bullshit. Likely near zero understanding of politics, just grew up with the words "democracy" being shoved into your ears repeatedly. Do you really believe that China's 1.3 billion people would be better off if the country just switched itself to American styled "democracy"? Look at who our democracy just elected.
- tehabe 10y ago
  I prefer a western democracy over an easter dictatorship any day. And only because the US democracy is going the way of Poland and Hungary and it is close to fail in Turkey doesn't mean it will fail everywhere. Taiwan has a democracy, South Korea just ousted their president because of allegation that she is corrupt.
- tim333 10y ago
  They've tried democracy on Chinese people in Taiwan. Seems to work. More GNP, human rights, clean air etc. than the mainland. No Trumps yet.
tinza123 10y ago
You don't know anything about the Chinese society, if a pure democratic system was introduced abruptly in China, do you honestly think the chaos it introduces among 1.3 billion people is a good thing? Regardless of if people actually like it. About Tibet, do you know anything other than several celebrities shouting out words they have no idea what so ever? Do you know they had slavery before the Chinese came in in the 50s? Do you know they had been part of the country for centuries? Agreeing with Taiwan ... Man why didn't the U.S. just chill and hangout with Cuba when the Russians carries their missiles over? You guessed it, don't like China? Nobody gives a damn.
- tehabe 10y ago
  I guess, reading between the lines isn't your strong suit. I'm not talking about democracy tomorrow, I'm talking about a process of democratisation in China, they could start with Hong Kong and go on with abolishing the death penalty and stop censoring the media so much. That democracy don't happening over night should know everybody who is seeing what is currently happening in countries like Poland and Hungary. Taiwan is a defacto independent country for 60+ years now and until the 1970s, the Republic of China was China. It is time that the relationship between those two countries find a way to recognize each other. West and East Germany reached this in the early 1970s, See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Treaty,_1972 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Treaty,_1972 Btw, the US opened itself to Cuba again. Way too late, way too slow. The embargo on Cuba did nothing against the regime. Embargos rarely work. This isn't about if I like China or not. It was an idea how China could improve its imagine, by actually improving. Recently I heard Chinese scientists complaining, that the censorship in China is preventing research.

by tehabe 10y ago

thatfrenchguy 10y ago

Are you talking about the United States here ?

tehabe 10y ago
The US could also finally get rid of the death penalty, but it is still a democracy, with a working court system. Can change faster than you think but maybe, just maybe, it won't.
- mentallymeta 10y ago
  >but it is still a democracy That can be argued: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...
- herbst 10y ago
  Swiss here. I never understood how Americans can believe to live in a functional democracy. Seems far fetched to me Most decisions are not made within a democratic process but decided by leaders who are usually not voted for ether

mazerackham 10y ago

this is such a prototypical example of utter western bullshit. Likely near zero understanding of politics, just grew up with the words "democracy" being shoved into your ears repeatedly. Do you really believe that China's 1.3 billion people would be better off if the country just switched itself to American styled "democracy"? Look at who our democracy just elected.

tehabe 10y ago
I prefer a western democracy over an easter dictatorship any day. And only because the US democracy is going the way of Poland and Hungary and it is close to fail in Turkey doesn't mean it will fail everywhere. Taiwan has a democracy, South Korea just ousted their president because of allegation that she is corrupt.
tim333 10y ago
They've tried democracy on Chinese people in Taiwan. Seems to work. More GNP, human rights, clean air etc. than the mainland. No Trumps yet.

tinza123 10y ago

You don't know anything about the Chinese society, if a pure democratic system was introduced abruptly in China, do you honestly think the chaos it introduces among 1.3 billion people is a good thing? Regardless of if people actually like it. About Tibet, do you know anything other than several celebrities shouting out words they have no idea what so ever? Do you know they had slavery before the Chinese came in in the 50s? Do you know they had been part of the country for centuries? Agreeing with Taiwan ... Man why didn't the U.S. just chill and hangout with Cuba when the Russians carries their missiles over? You guessed it, don't like China? Nobody gives a damn.

tehabe 10y ago
I guess, reading between the lines isn't your strong suit. I'm not talking about democracy tomorrow, I'm talking about a process of democratisation in China, they could start with Hong Kong and go on with abolishing the death penalty and stop censoring the media so much. That democracy don't happening over night should know everybody who is seeing what is currently happening in countries like Poland and Hungary. Taiwan is a defacto independent country for 60+ years now and until the 1970s, the Republic of China was China. It is time that the relationship between those two countries find a way to recognize each other. West and East Germany reached this in the early 1970s, See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Treaty,_1972 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Treaty,_1972 Btw, the US opened itself to Cuba again. Way too late, way too slow. The embargo on Cuba did nothing against the regime. Embargos rarely work. This isn't about if I like China or not. It was an idea how China could improve its imagine, by actually improving. Recently I heard Chinese scientists complaining, that the censorship in China is preventing research.