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> I just don't think there's a viable alternative If C++ is your only hammer then every problem looks like a nail to you. Of course, there are viable alternati

by progman 10y ago

> I just don't think there's a viable alternative If C++ is your only hammer then every problem looks like a nail to you. Of course, there are viable alternatives. At least Ada which is still used in avionics and other safety critical systems.

imron 10y ago
> At least Ada which is still used in avionics and other safety critical systems. Like Ariane 5? :-> The crash was caused in part by failing to catch an exception in Ada. http://sunnyday.mit.edu/accidents/Ariane5accidentreport.html http://sunnyday.mit.edu/accidents/Ariane5accidentreport.html
- progman 10y ago
  This was not Ada's fault but the developer team's fault since it used a working Ariane 4 software for Ariane 5 without exhaustive testing. They made the mistake, and blamed Ada for that. The Ada software worked perfectly for which it was written for. http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.ada/ariane5-faq/1406823 http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.ada/ariane5-faq/1406823 And yes, Ada is still used today. http://www.ada2012.org http://www.ada2012.org
  - imron 10y ago
    So how many crashes that happen in programs written in C++ are the development teams fault rather than the C++'s? Ada is an interesting language (we were taught it as our first language at uni), but it's not free from safety issues.
    - progman 10y ago
      Crashes due to the language implementation's fault are much more likely in C++ than in Ada. Ada compilers are 100% verified, otherwise they are not allowed to call themselves "Ada compiler". There is no such thing for C++. The safety gap between C++ and Ada is actually so big that we don't even need to talk about that. The flaws C++ were the reasons why Rust was invented. Mozilla wanted a safe language for the next generation of browsers, and they realized that C++ is not a good choice for safe programming. Quote: "Mozilla intends to use Rust as a platform for prototyping experimental browser architectures. Specifically, the hope is to develop a browser that is more amenable to parallelization than existing ones, while also being less prone to common C++ coding errors." Source: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Mozilla-developing-the-Rust-language-and-what-are-the-problem-areas-for-which-it-is-better-suited-than-conventional-languages-How-does-it-compare-to-other-system-languages https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Mozilla-developing-the-Rust-lan...

by progman 10y ago

imron 10y ago

> At least Ada which is still used in avionics and other safety critical systems. Like Ariane 5? :-> The crash was caused in part by failing to catch an exception in Ada. http://sunnyday.mit.edu/accidents/Ariane5accidentreport.html http://sunnyday.mit.edu/accidents/Ariane5accidentreport.html

progman 10y ago
This was not Ada's fault but the developer team's fault since it used a working Ariane 4 software for Ariane 5 without exhaustive testing. They made the mistake, and blamed Ada for that. The Ada software worked perfectly for which it was written for. http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.ada/ariane5-faq/1406823 http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.ada/ariane5-faq/1406823 And yes, Ada is still used today. http://www.ada2012.org http://www.ada2012.org
- imron 10y ago
  So how many crashes that happen in programs written in C++ are the development teams fault rather than the C++'s? Ada is an interesting language (we were taught it as our first language at uni), but it's not free from safety issues.
  - progman 10y ago
    Crashes due to the language implementation's fault are much more likely in C++ than in Ada. Ada compilers are 100% verified, otherwise they are not allowed to call themselves "Ada compiler". There is no such thing for C++. The safety gap between C++ and Ada is actually so big that we don't even need to talk about that. The flaws C++ were the reasons why Rust was invented. Mozilla wanted a safe language for the next generation of browsers, and they realized that C++ is not a good choice for safe programming. Quote: "Mozilla intends to use Rust as a platform for prototyping experimental browser architectures. Specifically, the hope is to develop a browser that is more amenable to parallelization than existing ones, while also being less prone to common C++ coding errors." Source: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Mozilla-developing-the-Rust-language-and-what-are-the-problem-areas-for-which-it-is-better-suited-than-conventional-languages-How-does-it-compare-to-other-system-languages https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Mozilla-developing-the-Rust-lan...