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I have. The effect is very small for most purposes. It's largely fabricated right wing propaganda. From Oxford University: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a

I have. The effect is very small for most purposes. It's largely fabricated right wing propaganda. From Oxford University: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/ http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings... Does immigration create greater unemployment or greater inactivity among existing workers? The first systematic study of this issue used data for 1983-2000 to analyse how changes in the share of migrants impact on employment, labour market participation and unemployment of existing workers (Dustmann, Fabbri and Preston 2005). It concluded that immigration had no statistically significant effect on the overall employment outcomes of UK-born workers. The study did, however, find statistically significant effects on specific educational groups of UK-born workers: immigration was found to have adverse effects on employment, labour market participation and unemployment of UK-born with intermediate education (defined as O-level and equivalent) and a positive impact on employment outcomes of UK-born workers with advanced education (A-levels or university degrees). A separate study carried out by researchers at the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) analysed the impact of labour immigration of A8 workers on claimant unemployment during May 2004-November 2005 (Lemos and Portes 2008). The study found little evidence of an adverse effect. There is some evidence to suggest that, just like the impact on wages, the effects of immigration on unemployment differ between the short and long run. An OECD study of the impact of immigration on the unemployment of domestic workers in OECD countries (including the UK) during 1984-2004 found that an increase in the share of migrants in the labour force increases unemployment for those with skills most similar to the migrants in the short to medium term (over a period of 5-10 years), but that immigration has no significant impact on unemployment in the long run (Jean and Jimenez 2010).

anjc 10y ago
Your own comment contradicts what you're saying: > an increase in the share of migrants in the labour force increases unemployment for those with skills most similar to the migrants in the short to medium term (over a period of 5-10 years), but that immigration has no significant impact on unemployment in the long run (Jean and Jimenez 2010). A period of 10 years is a quarter of a person's working lifetime and is, at a personal level, not short term. Being in a European country I should point out too that the rate of large-scale immigration events happen more frequently than 10 years, and so some industries now remain in a constant state of upheaval in terms of indigenous employment. I was in an industry that saw an almost overnight shift in indigenous employment, and worker's rights, upon migrations from Brazil, Eastern Europe and the Middle East. It's only now, 10 years later, that it's becoming viable as a career prospect again because net emigration has increased. Of course, we had to put up with massive unemployment for under 30's in the meantime, and all of the social ramifications of this. But yes, it's a small effect and is just propaganda. 30-40% of people under 30 just stayed unemployed long-term for fun.
- Panoramix 10y ago
  I'd need to see concrete numbers showing the reason behind those 30-40% unemployed was immigration, rather than other reasons. When an immigrant moves into a country he contributes plenty to the local economy. He needs a haircut, so he goes to the local hairdresser. He needs groceries, so he goes to the local shop. He pays rent, buys a car, furniture, pays taxes, schools, etc etc. This helps a lot of people stay employed. Economic crises happen. Industries - like paper and many others - simply become obsolete and some are going to die. If you are trivially replaced, or only qualified to work on a dying industry you're in for a tough time, and no amount of immigrant bans or protectionist policies is going to help you.
  - battlebot 10y ago
    When an immigrant shows up in the US, they most often immediately sign up for welfare--free food, free clothing, free, free, free. They get section 8 housing subsidies, they put their kids in public schools but pay very little in taxes. They fail to integrate. The Muslim kids get invited to birthday parties, they never show up. They won't let their kids come over to play, it is just old world nonsense going on. Their religion or whatever won't allow them to attend music classes, so they get special treatment there (wtf?) Meanwhile, in my kids' school the test scores from a formerly award-winning district have been falling for the past five years due to the effect of uncontrolled immigration mostly from south of the border. On top of that, we've got Muslim kids pushing my son around on the playground, we've got female teachers being threatened by the boys who believe they are superior to women and refusing to be taught by female teachers. Pardon me if I fail to see the upside to any of this--it is affecting me and the lives of my family NOW and if things get better 10 years from now, the damage is still happening NOW. I would go as far to say that if Americans--and by Americans I don't just mean whites--don't wake up to how they're getting screwed over in every way, it's going to be a very ugly situation later on. Stuff free markets in your ass--this is about the destruction of America from within. Limit immigration, require English language, no more pandering to the death cult of Islam, no more pandering to non-English speakers, enforce mutual respect for all races, religions, and ethnic backgrounds under the rule of law. Cut welfare to the bone and stop creating the incentives that undermine our communities.

anjc 10y ago

Your own comment contradicts what you're saying: > an increase in the share of migrants in the labour force increases unemployment for those with skills most similar to the migrants in the short to medium term (over a period of 5-10 years), but that immigration has no significant impact on unemployment in the long run (Jean and Jimenez 2010). A period of 10 years is a quarter of a person's working lifetime and is, at a personal level, not short term. Being in a European country I should point out too that the rate of large-scale immigration events happen more frequently than 10 years, and so some industries now remain in a constant state of upheaval in terms of indigenous employment. I was in an industry that saw an almost overnight shift in indigenous employment, and worker's rights, upon migrations from Brazil, Eastern Europe and the Middle East. It's only now, 10 years later, that it's becoming viable as a career prospect again because net emigration has increased. Of course, we had to put up with massive unemployment for under 30's in the meantime, and all of the social ramifications of this. But yes, it's a small effect and is just propaganda. 30-40% of people under 30 just stayed unemployed long-term for fun.

Panoramix 10y ago
I'd need to see concrete numbers showing the reason behind those 30-40% unemployed was immigration, rather than other reasons. When an immigrant moves into a country he contributes plenty to the local economy. He needs a haircut, so he goes to the local hairdresser. He needs groceries, so he goes to the local shop. He pays rent, buys a car, furniture, pays taxes, schools, etc etc. This helps a lot of people stay employed. Economic crises happen. Industries - like paper and many others - simply become obsolete and some are going to die. If you are trivially replaced, or only qualified to work on a dying industry you're in for a tough time, and no amount of immigrant bans or protectionist policies is going to help you.
- battlebot 10y ago
  When an immigrant shows up in the US, they most often immediately sign up for welfare--free food, free clothing, free, free, free. They get section 8 housing subsidies, they put their kids in public schools but pay very little in taxes. They fail to integrate. The Muslim kids get invited to birthday parties, they never show up. They won't let their kids come over to play, it is just old world nonsense going on. Their religion or whatever won't allow them to attend music classes, so they get special treatment there (wtf?) Meanwhile, in my kids' school the test scores from a formerly award-winning district have been falling for the past five years due to the effect of uncontrolled immigration mostly from south of the border. On top of that, we've got Muslim kids pushing my son around on the playground, we've got female teachers being threatened by the boys who believe they are superior to women and refusing to be taught by female teachers. Pardon me if I fail to see the upside to any of this--it is affecting me and the lives of my family NOW and if things get better 10 years from now, the damage is still happening NOW. I would go as far to say that if Americans--and by Americans I don't just mean whites--don't wake up to how they're getting screwed over in every way, it's going to be a very ugly situation later on. Stuff free markets in your ass--this is about the destruction of America from within. Limit immigration, require English language, no more pandering to the death cult of Islam, no more pandering to non-English speakers, enforce mutual respect for all races, religions, and ethnic backgrounds under the rule of law. Cut welfare to the bone and stop creating the incentives that undermine our communities.