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Diversity of experience is directly correlated to diversity in skin color, gender, socio economic status, age, nationality, etc. You can say that there is "div

by GuiA 10y ago

Diversity of experience is directly correlated to diversity in skin color, gender, socio economic status, age, nationality, etc. You can say that there is "diversity of thought" in a group of white males who all went to ivy leagues because one says he's a libertarian and the other a neo marxist, but that's kinda missing the point.

devmunchies 10y ago
Why can't these white males be diverse? Let me expand your example... > You can say that there is "diversity of thought" in a group of white males who all went to ivy leagues because one worked in the gaming industry in the UK and the other ran his own web company from his laptop as he travelled the United States... You can still have a diverse workforce if you ignore race and gender. If diversity of thought, gender, and race are in fact correlated as you say, then if you ignore race/gender and try to get the most interesting people, you'll naturally have a that pizza pie as a side-effect, except you won't be racist or sexist about it. I filter resumes and do interviewing, and I don't care if you are black, asian, white, male, female or whatever. I just want to see how interesting/diverse of a experiences you've had.
- GuiA 10y ago
  > I filter resumes and do interviewing, and I don't care if you are black, asian, white, male, female or whatever. I just want to see how interesting/diverse of a experiences you've had. And how do you judge "interesting/diverse experiences"? Presumably through your own extremely blind and biased filter (because really we all are). How diverse is your hiring committee?
  - devmunchies 10y ago
    Yes. We do all have biases, but I feel more comfortable judging what experiences seem interesting rather than which candidate has brown skin. It's racist.
coldtea 10y ago
>Diversity of experience is directly correlated to diversity in skin color, gender, socio economic status, age, nationality, etc. There's a very limited "diversity of experience" across skin color and gender given the same "socio economic status". A rich gay person can much more easily command and/or buy acceptance and tolerance even in the most extreme places (and historically tons of gay persons got off just fine in societies that otherwise frowned upon the poor gays). And usually the tech version of "diversity" only extends to people with the same experiences -- regarding age, education, aspirations, etc, regardless of nationality. An indian nerd colleague is OK, as long as they too lived and breathed Star Wars, Lego bricks, old NES consoles, and doesn't bring much in the way of his country's culture (except cute and inoffensive dietary and cosmetic differences) etc. >You can say that there is "diversity of thought" in a group of white males who all went to ivy leagues because one says he's a libertarian and the other a neo marxist, but that's kinda missing the point. So is saying there is "diversity of thought" to the kind of people that end up in VC as programmers -- regardless of their ethnicity or gender.
- GuiA 10y ago
  > An indian nerd colleague is OK, as long as they too lived and breathed Star Wars, Lego bricks, old NES consoles, and doesn't bring much in the way of his country's culture (except cute and inoffensive dietary and cosmetic differences) etc. Have you thought that perhaps they emphasize playing with LEGO and NES games and tone down their culture to "cute inoffensive cosmetic and dietary preferences" because they code switch to fit in?
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Yes, but that's orthogonal, since my critique is to the other side. If anything, it furthers my point. That the other side (let's say "whites") is all about diversity as long as the ethnic others have the same cultural norms and aspirations as them in most areas, except some cutesy details.

by GuiA 10y ago

devmunchies 10y ago

Why can't these white males be diverse? Let me expand your example... > You can say that there is "diversity of thought" in a group of white males who all went to ivy leagues because one worked in the gaming industry in the UK and the other ran his own web company from his laptop as he travelled the United States... You can still have a diverse workforce if you ignore race and gender. If diversity of thought, gender, and race are in fact correlated as you say, then if you ignore race/gender and try to get the most interesting people, you'll naturally have a that pizza pie as a side-effect, except you won't be racist or sexist about it. I filter resumes and do interviewing, and I don't care if you are black, asian, white, male, female or whatever. I just want to see how interesting/diverse of a experiences you've had.

GuiA 10y ago
> I filter resumes and do interviewing, and I don't care if you are black, asian, white, male, female or whatever. I just want to see how interesting/diverse of a experiences you've had. And how do you judge "interesting/diverse experiences"? Presumably through your own extremely blind and biased filter (because really we all are). How diverse is your hiring committee?
- devmunchies 10y ago
  Yes. We do all have biases, but I feel more comfortable judging what experiences seem interesting rather than which candidate has brown skin. It's racist.

coldtea 10y ago

>Diversity of experience is directly correlated to diversity in skin color, gender, socio economic status, age, nationality, etc. There's a very limited "diversity of experience" across skin color and gender given the same "socio economic status". A rich gay person can much more easily command and/or buy acceptance and tolerance even in the most extreme places (and historically tons of gay persons got off just fine in societies that otherwise frowned upon the poor gays). And usually the tech version of "diversity" only extends to people with the same experiences -- regarding age, education, aspirations, etc, regardless of nationality. An indian nerd colleague is OK, as long as they too lived and breathed Star Wars, Lego bricks, old NES consoles, and doesn't bring much in the way of his country's culture (except cute and inoffensive dietary and cosmetic differences) etc. >You can say that there is "diversity of thought" in a group of white males who all went to ivy leagues because one says he's a libertarian and the other a neo marxist, but that's kinda missing the point. So is saying there is "diversity of thought" to the kind of people that end up in VC as programmers -- regardless of their ethnicity or gender.

GuiA 10y ago
> An indian nerd colleague is OK, as long as they too lived and breathed Star Wars, Lego bricks, old NES consoles, and doesn't bring much in the way of his country's culture (except cute and inoffensive dietary and cosmetic differences) etc. Have you thought that perhaps they emphasize playing with LEGO and NES games and tone down their culture to "cute inoffensive cosmetic and dietary preferences" because they code switch to fit in?
- coldtea 10y ago
  Yes, but that's orthogonal, since my critique is to the other side. If anything, it furthers my point. That the other side (let's say "whites") is all about diversity as long as the ethnic others have the same cultural norms and aspirations as them in most areas, except some cutesy details.