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I think you should consider that they may well be right, and that they can't find work at a rate they expect due to H1Bs working for less. People tend to know m

I think you should consider that they may well be right, and that they can't find work at a rate they expect due to H1Bs working for less. People tend to know more about their own lives than you do about theirs.

jimmywanger 10y ago
You're missing/not addressing two important points. First, as I pointed out, it's much easier cognitively to blame an external circumstance than your own skills deficit. Second, any sort of expansion of the labor pool will tend to depress wages. If you can't find work at a rate you expect, you need to either lower your expectations or expect unemployment.
- cat199 10y ago
  > If you can't find work at a rate you expect, you need to either lower your expectations or expect unemployment. While this is true, if the rationale behind H1B program is designed to supplant a shortage in actual labor skills, and not in labor skills at the company owner's desired pay rates, and there is a surplus of skills due to unemployment while H1B's continue for the same skillset, then H1B's are compounding the problem due to misuse. This is logic. Still waiting for the day that owners are clamoring for H1B's for executives due to excessive pay and 'labor shortage'.. except executives are largely part of the same group as owners and the same people that fund the lobbyists so we all know that will never happen..
  - jimmywanger 10y ago
    > if the rationale behind H1B program is designed to supplant a shortage in actual labor skills, The intent of the law was to supplant shortages in labor skills, and that's the way the law is being used by most large "reputable" companies, not body shops. I think you'd find it difficult to argue that when one of the big 5 brings somebody over on a H1b, it doesn't tend to depress the wages of engineers, as they usually only hire and recruit a highly selective (not necessarily talented) subset of engineers and compensate them extremely well. The way the law is written allows a lot of consulting companies to game the system by bringing marginally talented labor to drive down the wages for skills that already exist in this country. As an aside, this sort of argument against some H1-B seekers is a form of rent-seeking. You're trying to extract value from something that you inherited, e.g. your citizenship and your ability to legally work in this country, vs something you're able to do uniquely well.

jimmywanger 10y ago

You're missing/not addressing two important points. First, as I pointed out, it's much easier cognitively to blame an external circumstance than your own skills deficit. Second, any sort of expansion of the labor pool will tend to depress wages. If you can't find work at a rate you expect, you need to either lower your expectations or expect unemployment.

cat199 10y ago
> If you can't find work at a rate you expect, you need to either lower your expectations or expect unemployment. While this is true, if the rationale behind H1B program is designed to supplant a shortage in actual labor skills, and not in labor skills at the company owner's desired pay rates, and there is a surplus of skills due to unemployment while H1B's continue for the same skillset, then H1B's are compounding the problem due to misuse. This is logic. Still waiting for the day that owners are clamoring for H1B's for executives due to excessive pay and 'labor shortage'.. except executives are largely part of the same group as owners and the same people that fund the lobbyists so we all know that will never happen..
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > if the rationale behind H1B program is designed to supplant a shortage in actual labor skills, The intent of the law was to supplant shortages in labor skills, and that's the way the law is being used by most large "reputable" companies, not body shops. I think you'd find it difficult to argue that when one of the big 5 brings somebody over on a H1b, it doesn't tend to depress the wages of engineers, as they usually only hire and recruit a highly selective (not necessarily talented) subset of engineers and compensate them extremely well. The way the law is written allows a lot of consulting companies to game the system by bringing marginally talented labor to drive down the wages for skills that already exist in this country. As an aside, this sort of argument against some H1-B seekers is a form of rent-seeking. You're trying to extract value from something that you inherited, e.g. your citizenship and your ability to legally work in this country, vs something you're able to do uniquely well.