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I simply have to believe that cloud services have taken a big bite of the sysadmin market. We currently employ zero admins (~25 employees, moderate traffic). I
by enjo 10y ago
I simply have to believe that cloud services have taken a big bite of the sysadmin market. We currently employ zero admins (~25 employees, moderate traffic).
In my previous ventures that'd be unthinkable, but we've effecticely outsourced the position to Amazon.
- jsmthrowaway 10y agoThat just means you've elected not to hire an operations person, not that Amazon is doing it for you. You're still doing it, you just don't realize it.
- zer00eyz 10y agoThis is very true: Dev/Op's has turned into an excuse to throw another job onto programers, one that in some circumstances they aren't really qualified to do. We spent years as an industry separating out roles and building walled gardens. The latter was bad but the former was correctly informed.
- dmourati 10y agoGood luck with that.
- mst 10y agoYou're presumably still handling package installation, deployment etc. via something handled in-house, no? Certainly the "tending hardware" part of sysadminry is outsourceable, but unless you're going full-serverless there's still a bunch of systems work to do - so it may be longer before a full time sysadmin is worth the money, but one will likely be value for money eventually.
- jopsen 10y agoPushing to heroku or something like it will get you pretty far. With immutable infrastructure all defined in config file (cloudformation, terraform, etc), you don't have any pet servers sitting around.
- qaq 10y agoYes but the ops teams at aws are not manned by magic unicorns. Also do be honest I have noticed that on teams where most ops are handled by devs if you convert that time to money it would have being at least break even to have an ops person even if part time with a much better results.
- empath75 10y agoYeah but the aws ops guys are split between many many companies. I was thinking more of the 'office it guy' sort of job.