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Unpopular opinion: Nah, it's an IQ issue. It's really not a (short-term) training issue, at least.

by johansch 10y ago

neom 10y ago
For that to be true I suspect you'd also have to believe near zero nuance in the bell.
- johansch 10y ago
  Now I'm really curious. What bell are you talking about and why is it relevant?
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    Since you brought up IQ, I'd guess this was something about the bell curve. It's not obvious what "nuance" could have to do with that, however. Perhaps that was an unhinged spell-correction of "variance"? Sometimes I wonder if people post with imprecision because they think that way...
    - johansch 10y ago
      Maybe it's the low-IQ people doing that? /i-will-burn-in-hell
    - neom 10y ago
      Richard Herrnstein certainly never suggested that there was a chunky or sharp delineation built into the bell curve, It's probably fair to say the manifestation of capability and capacity of the human throughout the spectrum specifically in the context of the article would likely require to you see no "gradation".
bante 10y ago
It's weird that people who claim unpopular opinions, often at the expense of others, so rarely can find the time to argue their excellent ideas. I have a number of friends that works in "IT" in Europe. The difference between working for a US and European "IT" company is night and day. It simply has very little status as a field in the US. If you had ever seen the things a systems administrators have to deal with from highly educated engineers, you would know that it has less to do with "IQ" and everything to do with domain knowledge.
- planteen 10y ago
  I've had the pleasure of working with some great a Linux sysadmins. I had a great relationship with them as a developer. Another developer hated them and treated them poorly. Do you think they would help him out after hours if they weren't on call? Same thing for EEs who treat technicians poorly. A tech might tell them a rework is impossible. If they like you and you buy them a beer from time to time, they might say, "That's going to be really tough, but I'll give it a shot and we'll see what happens." I think a great piece of advice for life is, "Never assume you are the smartest person in the room." Remember that everyone brings something to the table.
- johansch 10y ago
  I agree. The sysadmin people I have worked with in Europe in have generally been very clever people that I loved to have on my team. The IT/sysadmin people I experienced in Silicon Valley in my next company though.. meh.
- psyc 10y ago
  Not that I agree with the specific opinion in question, but when it comes to cause-effect questions with a moral angle, you're going to convince literally nobody by arguing. I never take the time, because it doesn't bother me in the slightest whether others agree with me, or are wrong.

Unpopular opinion: Nah, it's an IQ issue. It's really not a (short-term) training issue, at least.

neom 10y ago

For that to be true I suspect you'd also have to believe near zero nuance in the bell.

johansch 10y ago
Now I'm really curious. What bell are you talking about and why is it relevant?
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Since you brought up IQ, I'd guess this was something about the bell curve. It's not obvious what "nuance" could have to do with that, however. Perhaps that was an unhinged spell-correction of "variance"? Sometimes I wonder if people post with imprecision because they think that way...
  - johansch 10y ago
    Maybe it's the low-IQ people doing that? /i-will-burn-in-hell
  - neom 10y ago
    Richard Herrnstein certainly never suggested that there was a chunky or sharp delineation built into the bell curve, It's probably fair to say the manifestation of capability and capacity of the human throughout the spectrum specifically in the context of the article would likely require to you see no "gradation".

bante 10y ago

It's weird that people who claim unpopular opinions, often at the expense of others, so rarely can find the time to argue their excellent ideas. I have a number of friends that works in "IT" in Europe. The difference between working for a US and European "IT" company is night and day. It simply has very little status as a field in the US. If you had ever seen the things a systems administrators have to deal with from highly educated engineers, you would know that it has less to do with "IQ" and everything to do with domain knowledge.

planteen 10y ago
I've had the pleasure of working with some great a Linux sysadmins. I had a great relationship with them as a developer. Another developer hated them and treated them poorly. Do you think they would help him out after hours if they weren't on call? Same thing for EEs who treat technicians poorly. A tech might tell them a rework is impossible. If they like you and you buy them a beer from time to time, they might say, "That's going to be really tough, but I'll give it a shot and we'll see what happens." I think a great piece of advice for life is, "Never assume you are the smartest person in the room." Remember that everyone brings something to the table.
johansch 10y ago
I agree. The sysadmin people I have worked with in Europe in have generally been very clever people that I loved to have on my team. The IT/sysadmin people I experienced in Silicon Valley in my next company though.. meh.
psyc 10y ago
Not that I agree with the specific opinion in question, but when it comes to cause-effect questions with a moral angle, you're going to convince literally nobody by arguing. I never take the time, because it doesn't bother me in the slightest whether others agree with me, or are wrong.