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Sure they've gotten in trouble but the claim is that it's sexist. Thats not why they got in trouble though.

tptacek 10y ago
It is sexist in exactly the same manner as the (I think you thought deliberately absurd) example you provided downthread, in which a company held business meetings in the men's bathroom.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  I didn't say they held business meetings in the bathroom but nice strawman. I said that men meet and talk in bathrooms which excludes women at places where there are very few of them. So it wasn't deliberately absurd it was just deliberately different to make a point about the absurdity of the argument that excluding women from being in the company with men from their company is sexist per defition. Furthermore where in the article does it say that they were conducting a business meeting at the strip club? Nowhere what so ever. So you are basing your argument on things that didn't happen.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    I didn't say that you did. Again: I know we disagree about a lot of this stuff, but I'm taking pains not to jab at you, and would appreciate if you'd reciprocate. It is in fact the case that if a company has a systemic practice of making business decisions in the men's bathroom, women working at those companies will have a cause of action against that company. Further: I made clear to you downthread that on the matter of whether the trip to the club was a business matter at all, reasonable people might disagree. I conceded up front that you might have an argument there --- I strongly disagree with that argument, but it's one you can reasonably make.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      Yes you did "(I think you thought deliberately absurd) example you provided downthread, in which a company held business meetings in the men's bathroom." Furthermore you haven't pointed to a single example of any kind of business being conducted at the strip club. It's not something I would drag other people to do, but it has nothing to do with gender discrimination to go to a scrip-club especially not when the purpose seemed to be picking up women not discussing the latest strategy.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        Once again: if your argument is that a group of company executives can decide on a whim to go to a escort club together and not have it be a business function, I can agree to disagree with you. I'm simply rebutting the notion that attending an escort club can't be on its own intrinsically sexist. Clearly, it can be.
        ThomPete 10y ago
        who said it can't be? Another strawman.
        tptacek 10y ago
        You literally asked the question: "Whats sexist about going to an excort bar?" I'm simply answering the question. Please stop being so rude.
        ThomPete 10y ago
        You seem to be the rude person here. The context is pretty clear, i dont need a lecture in theoretical scenarios that have nothing to do with this case. Nowhere is feels pressured or businnes meeting at an escort bar mentioned.

It is sexist in exactly the same manner as the (I think you thought deliberately absurd) example you provided downthread, in which a company held business meetings in the men's bathroom.

ThomPete 10y ago
I didn't say they held business meetings in the bathroom but nice strawman. I said that men meet and talk in bathrooms which excludes women at places where there are very few of them. So it wasn't deliberately absurd it was just deliberately different to make a point about the absurdity of the argument that excluding women from being in the company with men from their company is sexist per defition. Furthermore where in the article does it say that they were conducting a business meeting at the strip club? Nowhere what so ever. So you are basing your argument on things that didn't happen.
- tptacek 10y ago
  I didn't say that you did. Again: I know we disagree about a lot of this stuff, but I'm taking pains not to jab at you, and would appreciate if you'd reciprocate. It is in fact the case that if a company has a systemic practice of making business decisions in the men's bathroom, women working at those companies will have a cause of action against that company. Further: I made clear to you downthread that on the matter of whether the trip to the club was a business matter at all, reasonable people might disagree. I conceded up front that you might have an argument there --- I strongly disagree with that argument, but it's one you can reasonably make.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    Yes you did "(I think you thought deliberately absurd) example you provided downthread, in which a company held business meetings in the men's bathroom." Furthermore you haven't pointed to a single example of any kind of business being conducted at the strip club. It's not something I would drag other people to do, but it has nothing to do with gender discrimination to go to a scrip-club especially not when the purpose seemed to be picking up women not discussing the latest strategy.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      Once again: if your argument is that a group of company executives can decide on a whim to go to a escort club together and not have it be a business function, I can agree to disagree with you. I'm simply rebutting the notion that attending an escort club can't be on its own intrinsically sexist. Clearly, it can be.
      - ThomPete 10y ago
        who said it can't be? Another strawman.
        tptacek 10y ago
        You literally asked the question: "Whats sexist about going to an excort bar?" I'm simply answering the question. Please stop being so rude.
        ThomPete 10y ago
        You seem to be the rude person here. The context is pretty clear, i dont need a lecture in theoretical scenarios that have nothing to do with this case. Nowhere is feels pressured or businnes meeting at an escort bar mentioned.