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I am not sure what you mean with civility. It wasn't meant to be agressive. I literally meant I am sure you see it as an argument. Not sure why going to a stri
by ThomPete 10y ago
I am not sure what you mean with civility. It wasn't meant to be agressive. I literally meant I am sure you see it as an argument.
Not sure why going to a stripclub would exclude women. In what way does it do that? And even if it did it does not mean it's sexist. Furthermore the idea that important business talk happens at strip clubs is hard to see and that would be the primary reason for claiming stripclubs are excluding women. Otherwise mens clubs, golfing with your buddies and so many other things might as well be considered sexist.
Second of all if you really want to make that argument then you need to ban gender divided bathrooms at the executive level if there are too many men. Because a lot of talk happens in the bathroom too and there women are actually excluded to participate. This is a real issue and the chances of work being discussed here is many times higher.
So to claim that an occasional stripclub visit is excluding anyone and/or sexist is IMO a rather unsubstantiated claim.
I am well aware that it's the source of many tabloids and you can get in trouble for it but it has nothing to do with sexism.
- tptacek 10y agoNo, your rebuttal here doesn't make sense. It would obviously not be acceptable to hold business functions in a men's washroom, either.
- ThomPete 10y agoYet thats what happens and why women at some places have pushed for gender neutral bathrooms. So yes it makes perfect sense.
- tptacek 10y agoWhat's your point? As I said upthread: businesses that have a pattern of making important business decisions in the men's bathrooms do in fact have a gender discrimination problem, and will in fact be shouldering legal liabilities for allowing it to persist.
- ThomPete 10y agoMy point is that you are confusing things. Neither a visit to a stripclub by a bunch of colleagues nor a gender divided bathroom means that there is any discrimination happening and that if we are to follow your logic a lot of things would be called discrimination which luckily they don't.
- tptacek 10y agoSo far you haven't provided an example of something similar that is "luckily not considered discrimination". The one example you have provided is in fact (and has in the real world been) grounds for a discrimination claim.
- ThomPete 10y agoWhich doesent make it that anymore than playing soccer or golf in a countryclub does.
- tptacek 10y agoConducting business within your company in the context of a men's only sporting league or athletic club is also clearly legally problematic.
- ThomPete 10y agoAnd since a stripclub is not mens only and you have no indication what so ever that they were conducting business there, quite the opposite actually, your whole attempt to show that this could be sexism falls flat. You are basically just saying everything can potentially be considered sexist. Which is a quite trivial claim and has nothing to do with this discussion
- tptacek 10y agoI can't find anything new to respond to in this comment so am content to let the discussion rest here.