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How on earth do you get to that conclusion? I get that uber is a toxic environment but it's not because they go to an escort bar and they don't go to an escort
by ThomPete 10y ago
How on earth do you get to that conclusion? I get that uber is a toxic environment but it's not because they go to an escort bar and they don't go to an escort bar because the environment is toxic.
Plenty of people do that and they work in great companies. They mostly do it because they are men and some men like to do that.
It sounds more like the a priori acceptance of some feminist branding of sex for money as turning women into objects to be paid for.
Everyone who takes money to do something for others are assets for them. That's why they pay the money. Whether thats working in an escort bar or working 100 hours a week in a startup, the only difference is that one job is paid much much better.
- tptacek 10y agoAgain: normal people do go to strip clubs (not so sure about "escort bars"). But normal companies don't have what are effectively company outings to strip clubs, and plenty of companies have gotten in trouble for doing that.
- ThomPete 10y agoSure they've gotten in trouble but the claim is that it's sexist. Thats not why they got in trouble though.
- tptacek 10y agoIt is sexist in exactly the same manner as the (I think you thought deliberately absurd) example you provided downthread, in which a company held business meetings in the men's bathroom.
- ThomPete 10y agoI didn't say they held business meetings in the bathroom but nice strawman. I said that men meet and talk in bathrooms which excludes women at places where there are very few of them. So it wasn't deliberately absurd it was just deliberately different to make a point about the absurdity of the argument that excluding women from being in the company with men from their company is sexist per defition. Furthermore where in the article does it say that they were conducting a business meeting at the strip club? Nowhere what so ever. So you are basing your argument on things that didn't happen.
- tptacek 10y agoI didn't say that you did. Again: I know we disagree about a lot of this stuff, but I'm taking pains not to jab at you, and would appreciate if you'd reciprocate. It is in fact the case that if a company has a systemic practice of making business decisions in the men's bathroom, women working at those companies will have a cause of action against that company. Further: I made clear to you downthread that on the matter of whether the trip to the club was a business matter at all, reasonable people might disagree. I conceded up front that you might have an argument there --- I strongly disagree with that argument, but it's one you can reasonably make.
- ThomPete 10y agoYes you did "(I think you thought deliberately absurd) example you provided downthread, in which a company held business meetings in the men's bathroom." Furthermore you haven't pointed to a single example of any kind of business being conducted at the strip club. It's not something I would drag other people to do, but it has nothing to do with gender discrimination to go to a scrip-club especially not when the purpose seemed to be picking up women not discussing the latest strategy.
- tptacek 10y agoOnce again: if your argument is that a group of company executives can decide on a whim to go to a escort club together and not have it be a business function, I can agree to disagree with you. I'm simply rebutting the notion that attending an escort club can't be on its own intrinsically sexist. Clearly, it can be.
- Eridrus 10y agoYou don't have to accept that these bars are sexist to see that they are exclusionary, which is really enough for them to be inappropriate.
- ThomPete 10y agoInappropriate for what? For business? Sure but I don't see that mentioned anywhere and so we are back to opinions not clear cut definitions of what is inappropriate.