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I have a mostly maxed-out 15" new MBP. I love it. Now that I'm used to the new keyboard, I can type much faster than with the older ones and it feels far less m

by nrjames 10y ago

I have a mostly maxed-out 15" new MBP. I love it. Now that I'm used to the new keyboard, I can type much faster than with the older ones and it feels far less mushy. I never have problems with stuck keys, audio, etc. From time to time, I see some graphical artifacts around in the window shadows when I first open it up after sleeping, but they go away after a moment. The biggest annoyance, to me, is the placement of a touch bar hotspot above the delete key. I hit it all the time. At first, by default, Siri was there. I switched it to be the "show desktop" button, but what I really want to do is to shift everything to the left so that nothing is above the delete key. Even with that, however, I've adjusted my typing so that I rarely hit the touch bar above the delete key. I've never had battery problems, the USB-C ports don't bother me because I rarely have anything plugged into the laptop other than the power cable, and in my work environments, we use Apple TVs for conference room televisions, so I can just connect wirelessly to show presentations. I was skeptical when I bought it, due to all of the moaning that shows up here on HN, but all in all, I'm really enjoying this computer and I'm glad that I replaced my old MBP with it.

jameskegel 10y ago
You listed several things you don't like about it, and then said all in all you like it. To me, that seems a tad incongruent. I'm not sure if you actually enjoy it or if you're conditioning yourself to justify its presence because you have one. Sounds like the moaning is justified.
- ryanwaggoner 10y ago
  How condescending. OP mentioned one thing that was an annoyance, and it sounds like it doesn't come close to overwhelming the things OP likes about it. The totally irrational hate this MBP has received is really funny to me. It turns out nerds are super conservative. Change anything and they act like it's the end of the world. And God forbid you should say you actually like the change and then you get people popping up telling you that you're wrong, you can't trust your own preferences, and you actually don't like it. It's a slightly modified laptop with a few changes that most people don't care about or prefer. Get over it.
  - tilt_error 10y ago
    Indeed. Come to think of it, Apple could have perceived the whole thing as a change management scenario. People are showing all the traits related to resistance to change. Seeing this whole thing through the ADKAR model, Apple misses the Awareness and Desire part by "surprising" current customers on the release happenings. There seems to be an inherent problem with this way of rolling out changes that conflicts with taking care of existing customers. Perhaps treating current and potential customers differently would be an idea.
- nrjames 10y ago
  It's not perfect, but no MBP has ever been perfect. One thing about the Touch Bar annoys me from time to time. Otherwise, I love the computer and I'm both happy and feel thankful for having one. It is clear that other people don't like it. I hope they are able to find machines that works better for them. I posted my original comment just to give a counterpoint from the perspective of somebody thrilled with the purchase.
adviceadam 10y ago
I see graphical artifacts when I wake my computer up as well, though I have a 2013 MacBook Pro. I'm thinking it's a software issue, it never used to happen before macOS 10.12.
- dep_b 10y ago
  Same here a while ago on my 2015, though somebody said a recent update should have fixed it and sure enough I don't see it happening anymore.
jghn 10y ago
I'm curious to see how the keyboards hold up. I have a 2016 12" rMB. I believe that's the same keyboard as the new MBP. It's less than a year old and some of the keys are starting to become unresponsive. Admittedly I'm a very "hard" typist, but still. I actually quite like typing on this keyboard, although it was weird at first, but I wonder how these things are going to hold up.
- mconzen 10y ago
  It's not quite the same keyboard, though it is similar. Time will tell how it holds up in comparison, though.
- saurik 10y ago
  I was actually warned by the Apple Store when I got it how fragile the keyboard is and that if even small amounts of stuff got on the keyboard it would interfere with the keys due to the lack of any space below the key cap.
- kolinko 10y ago
  It's not the same, rMB is slightly flatter. I prefer the new pro.
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6t6t6t6 10y ago
Same here. MBP 13" with 16GB of RAM. Fast enough to develop web apps with Rails and JS. It's light and the battery life allows me to go to any meeting without having to bring the charger. USB-C doesn't bother me, and I guess that in the near future it will be the standard. I just had to buy a new Ethernet adaptor. I agree that the touchbar is annoying. I summon Siri way too often, but it's not the end of the world. The keyboard is good. I just think that it is a bit too expensive for what it is, but I didn't pay for it.
Caballera 10y ago
I feel the same about my 15 inch 2016 MBP. I also had the same issue with the Touch bar. I've since removed it, and changed it to the mute button, and haven't had any issue. When I first purchased it, (when it was released in store), I had problems with graphical artifacts, but than a new update was released for MacOSX and it's been fine since.

by nrjames 10y ago

jameskegel 10y ago

You listed several things you don't like about it, and then said all in all you like it. To me, that seems a tad incongruent. I'm not sure if you actually enjoy it or if you're conditioning yourself to justify its presence because you have one. Sounds like the moaning is justified.

ryanwaggoner 10y ago
How condescending. OP mentioned one thing that was an annoyance, and it sounds like it doesn't come close to overwhelming the things OP likes about it. The totally irrational hate this MBP has received is really funny to me. It turns out nerds are super conservative. Change anything and they act like it's the end of the world. And God forbid you should say you actually like the change and then you get people popping up telling you that you're wrong, you can't trust your own preferences, and you actually don't like it. It's a slightly modified laptop with a few changes that most people don't care about or prefer. Get over it.
- tilt_error 10y ago
  Indeed. Come to think of it, Apple could have perceived the whole thing as a change management scenario. People are showing all the traits related to resistance to change. Seeing this whole thing through the ADKAR model, Apple misses the Awareness and Desire part by "surprising" current customers on the release happenings. There seems to be an inherent problem with this way of rolling out changes that conflicts with taking care of existing customers. Perhaps treating current and potential customers differently would be an idea.
nrjames 10y ago
It's not perfect, but no MBP has ever been perfect. One thing about the Touch Bar annoys me from time to time. Otherwise, I love the computer and I'm both happy and feel thankful for having one. It is clear that other people don't like it. I hope they are able to find machines that works better for them. I posted my original comment just to give a counterpoint from the perspective of somebody thrilled with the purchase.

adviceadam 10y ago

I see graphical artifacts when I wake my computer up as well, though I have a 2013 MacBook Pro. I'm thinking it's a software issue, it never used to happen before macOS 10.12.

dep_b 10y ago
Same here a while ago on my 2015, though somebody said a recent update should have fixed it and sure enough I don't see it happening anymore.

jghn 10y ago

I'm curious to see how the keyboards hold up. I have a 2016 12" rMB. I believe that's the same keyboard as the new MBP. It's less than a year old and some of the keys are starting to become unresponsive. Admittedly I'm a very "hard" typist, but still. I actually quite like typing on this keyboard, although it was weird at first, but I wonder how these things are going to hold up.

mconzen 10y ago
It's not quite the same keyboard, though it is similar. Time will tell how it holds up in comparison, though.
saurik 10y ago
I was actually warned by the Apple Store when I got it how fragile the keyboard is and that if even small amounts of stuff got on the keyboard it would interfere with the keys due to the lack of any space below the key cap.
kolinko 10y ago
It's not the same, rMB is slightly flatter. I prefer the new pro.

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6t6t6t6 10y ago

Same here. MBP 13" with 16GB of RAM. Fast enough to develop web apps with Rails and JS. It's light and the battery life allows me to go to any meeting without having to bring the charger. USB-C doesn't bother me, and I guess that in the near future it will be the standard. I just had to buy a new Ethernet adaptor. I agree that the touchbar is annoying. I summon Siri way too often, but it's not the end of the world. The keyboard is good. I just think that it is a bit too expensive for what it is, but I didn't pay for it.

Caballera 10y ago

I feel the same about my 15 inch 2016 MBP. I also had the same issue with the Touch bar. I've since removed it, and changed it to the mute button, and haven't had any issue. When I first purchased it, (when it was released in store), I had problems with graphical artifacts, but than a new update was released for MacOSX and it's been fine since.