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"...the previous POTUS, a constitutional scholar that campaigned on ending domestic surveillance..." 1) This line reminded me how fallible my memory is. I held
by heymijo 10y ago
"...the previous POTUS, a constitutional scholar that campaigned on ending domestic surveillance..."
1) This line reminded me how fallible my memory is. I held a view of Obama as always toeing the line on government surveillance. Then senator Obama's 2008 vote in favor of the FISA Amendments Act and pro-surveillance actions as POTUS dominate my memory. I had completely forgotten his anti-surveillance rhetoric and actions from '04 - '07 [1][2].
2) How incredible would it be to candidly hear answers from Obama about what changed his mind?
3) I also wonder what it would be like to hear his candid thoughts now about handing over a surveillance state, that he directly entrenched as POTUS, to our current president.
Wishful thinking, I know, but it's something so few have any direct information about aside from conjecture.
[1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/obama-on-mass-government-surveillance-then-and-now/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/obama-on-mass-gove...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/03/barack-obama-surveillance-reform-vacillation-caution-fear https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/03/barack-obama...
- naasking 10y ago> 2) How incredible would it be to candidly hear answers from Obama about what changed his mind? It would be biased bullshit anyway. If they had any examples of real attacks being thwarted, they would have presented this evidence just to stop the criticisms. The surveillance is effective for political and economic reasons, and possibly for law enforcement's domestic use, which is borderline unconstitutional.
- leereeves 10y agoThe surveillance went as far as spying on members of Trump's campaign, which is eerily similar to Watergate. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveillance-obama-236366 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-tru... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=2 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-...
- naasking 10y ago> The surveillance went as far as spying on members of Trump's campaign, which is eerily similar to Watergate. Obvious hyperbole. They monitored everyone that communicated with foreign nationals, which Trump's aides were doing. They used the word "incidental collection" in that article for a reason.
- leereeves 10y agoSurveillance on foreign nationals that "inadvertently" intercepted communications from their political opponents. > Nunes suggested this unmasking might have been done for political reasons, saying the evidence he had seen had been widely disseminated across the intelligence community and had "little or no apparent intelligence value." We're rightfully worried about what Trump could do with such power; we should also be investigating what Obama actually did with it.
- naasking 10y ago> Surveillance on foreign nationals that "inadvertently" intercepted communications from their political opponents. And political allies too. That's how dragnet surveillance works. What's your point? > We're rightfully worried about what Trump could do with such power; we should also be investigating what Obama actually did with it. I agree, so stop wasting your time on conspiracy theories like this and look at Obama's actual questionable actions.
- leereeves 10y ago> That's how dragnet surveillance works. It's ok to spy on your political enemies as long as you spy on everyone else too? Will you feel so charitable when Trump does the same? > look at Obama's actual questionable actions. His known and proven questionable actions, you mean? Tip of the iceberg, certainly. Watergate itself was nothing more than a conspiracy theory at one time. But you're right, I'm not interested in conspiracy theories. That's why I said we should investigate.
- heymijo 10y agoDefinition of candid: 1) free from bias, prejudice, or malice 2) indicating or suggesting sincere honesty and absence of deception