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This is definitely a stumble for Apple, that much is beyond debate. But as someone who uses both 2012 MBP and new HP Win10 laptops every day for work and play,

This is definitely a stumble for Apple, that much is beyond debate. But as someone who uses both 2012 MBP and new HP Win10 laptops every day for work and play, let me say this: the Windows world might seem suddenly enticing, but you will NOT find greener pastures there, on average. That ecosystem is still a mess.

Joeri 10y ago
I think it's very personal which platform you prefer. I also spend equal time on windows and mac and lately find myself preferring windows more. One thing that's definitely terrible on windows 10 are the updates. Stuff breaking after forced updates is normal now. This week a whole bunch of colleagues got a forced update at 10 am which broke their laptop keyboard. Apparently our IT dept is to blame for the unlucky timing, but microsoft are the ones that broke the keyboard. Every win10 device I have has had something break after a forced update. I can always fix it, but I don't know how non-technical people deal with this.
- pyrophane 10y ago
  I've heard MS is shoving ads into various parts of the OS. Is that something you notice?
  - bwoj 10y ago
    I've been reasonably happy with a laptop I've had running Windows 7. Then it stealth-updated itself to Windows 10. I turned off most of the ads, but the lock screen still had ads. I had to turn of some service with an incongruous name to kill those but Cortana still shows up on the lock screen telling me to talk to it. Like I'm going to do that? Also, the start menu is all fubared. I end up using search from the start menu, which works but is really slow. I'll get the search box and type something into it and it's 30 seconds to a minute before my text shows up there, usually missing the first 2-3 characters I typed... but not always. Microsoft needs to have a good hard look at why they had so much trouble moving people off of XP. It's like they hit an inflection point there with the least amount of suckage.
  - Joeri 10y ago
    To be honest, I haven't noticed this. I think they're mostly onedrive ads anyway, and I have onedrive activated on most of my devices, so that could be the cause.
  - ebiester 10y ago
    You notice it on the lock screen, but it's mostly just partial factoids about a particular picture that takes you to bing if you click on it (after the lock screen.) I turned off the ad for their cloud service before I saw it, but Apple's pretty insistent on that themselves. I've also turned off Cortana's voice and other things I've found, and I'm considering moving back to Linux, but it's just not intrusive enough. I'm being tracked by everyone else - what's one more? :/
nicky0 10y ago
> that much is beyond debate I think you'd find plenty willing to debate you on that one!
- jasonlotito 10y ago
  Willing to debate and actually being able to are completely different. No, pretty sure any reasonable person would call this a fumble. Even if it's unwarranted, it's still a fumble. The roll out has been plagued with bad press and very real technical problems. Even I was considering a new one since my 2013's batteries are starting to give out, and was immediately told by people who own them "Are you sure? There are a lot of problems with the new MacBooks. You might get lucky and get a good one." This from non-tech people. Does this mean they lost the game? No. But Apple fumbled here. Clear and simple.
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willtim 10y ago
Microsoft and various Linux distributions do at least offer a stable version for enterprise customers and others that don't want the bleeding edge.

Joeri 10y ago

I think it's very personal which platform you prefer. I also spend equal time on windows and mac and lately find myself preferring windows more. One thing that's definitely terrible on windows 10 are the updates. Stuff breaking after forced updates is normal now. This week a whole bunch of colleagues got a forced update at 10 am which broke their laptop keyboard. Apparently our IT dept is to blame for the unlucky timing, but microsoft are the ones that broke the keyboard. Every win10 device I have has had something break after a forced update. I can always fix it, but I don't know how non-technical people deal with this.

pyrophane 10y ago
I've heard MS is shoving ads into various parts of the OS. Is that something you notice?
- bwoj 10y ago
  I've been reasonably happy with a laptop I've had running Windows 7. Then it stealth-updated itself to Windows 10. I turned off most of the ads, but the lock screen still had ads. I had to turn of some service with an incongruous name to kill those but Cortana still shows up on the lock screen telling me to talk to it. Like I'm going to do that? Also, the start menu is all fubared. I end up using search from the start menu, which works but is really slow. I'll get the search box and type something into it and it's 30 seconds to a minute before my text shows up there, usually missing the first 2-3 characters I typed... but not always. Microsoft needs to have a good hard look at why they had so much trouble moving people off of XP. It's like they hit an inflection point there with the least amount of suckage.
- Joeri 10y ago
  To be honest, I haven't noticed this. I think they're mostly onedrive ads anyway, and I have onedrive activated on most of my devices, so that could be the cause.
- ebiester 10y ago
  You notice it on the lock screen, but it's mostly just partial factoids about a particular picture that takes you to bing if you click on it (after the lock screen.) I turned off the ad for their cloud service before I saw it, but Apple's pretty insistent on that themselves. I've also turned off Cortana's voice and other things I've found, and I'm considering moving back to Linux, but it's just not intrusive enough. I'm being tracked by everyone else - what's one more? :/

nicky0 10y ago

> that much is beyond debate I think you'd find plenty willing to debate you on that one!

jasonlotito 10y ago
Willing to debate and actually being able to are completely different. No, pretty sure any reasonable person would call this a fumble. Even if it's unwarranted, it's still a fumble. The roll out has been plagued with bad press and very real technical problems. Even I was considering a new one since my 2013's batteries are starting to give out, and was immediately told by people who own them "Are you sure? There are a lot of problems with the new MacBooks. You might get lucky and get a good one." This from non-tech people. Does this mean they lost the game? No. But Apple fumbled here. Clear and simple.
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willtim 10y ago

Microsoft and various Linux distributions do at least offer a stable version for enterprise customers and others that don't want the bleeding edge.