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However there are workers now who would love to live like truly free men who are not forced to sell their time to survive. There are workers now who would love

• chongli 10y ago
  No different, if you conflate taxes with slavery. That's preposterous though, for obvious reasons. If you don't like paying taxes, you can always quit your job: no income, no taxes. If you're a slave, on the other hand, quitting means torture and/or death. So yeah, the desire to have others provide for your needs through tax dollars is worlds away from the desire to own slaves.
• ue_ 10y ago
  >There are workers now who would love to have others provide for their needs, but not have to do anything in return? Where did I talk about others providing for your needs? My point was that you work for yourself, you don't have to sell your time to someone else. It may be decided, as a form of charity, to give to those who do not wish to work or especially those who are unable to. But it is by far not what I am advocating for; I advocate that each worker receives the full value of their labour. I can't really see a way around being forced to work for oneself. I wish there were a way which would mean that work is not unevenly distributed, but there isn't in my knowledge. So in my opinion the best move is to work to massively reduce with automation the number of hours required to work, and to reward people with the products they make rather than wages. How this applies to service jobs, I'm not so sure.