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It must be clarified that mainland of China is also part of ROC according to ROC government[1]. In fact, the mainland and taiwan are in war, just like the Union

It must be clarified that mainland of China is also part of ROC according to ROC government[1]. In fact, the mainland and taiwan are in war, just like the Union and Confederacy in American civil war, even if there is not military conflicts right now. More interestingly, ROC actually claims larger territory than PRC (for example, part of Mongolia). It is ROC's constitution, not PRC's government, demands taiwan is part of China. Though it's not the People's Republic of China. And guess what, according to ROC's constitution, mainland China is "enemy occupied area". Therefore people in mainland China does not have right to vote, or legitimately declare independence. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_a...

astrodust 10y ago
It would be rather peculiar if during the American Civil War the Confederates had retreated to something like Cuba and remained there to this day.
- cestith 10y ago
  There's a community of Confederate descendants in Brazil. Most of them have assimilated but a few live in ancestral lands. There's an annual festival and everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/welcome-to-americana-brazil-0000580-v22n2 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/welcome-to-americana-braz... There were also settlements in Belize and Mexico apparently. None of them lay claim to being independent nations and owning mainland US though. The ROC as I see it retreated into an enclave of the former whole China and was never fully vanquished from Chinese land. So it's really more like if the Union stopped fighting after the Confederacy was defeated in all but one breakaway state. Even more accurately, since the PRC were the rebels, it'd be like the Confederates took over all the Union states except, say, Pennsylvania and then the war came to a halt. The Pennsylvania redoubt of the US would still be the US and may or may not make claims to the rest of the formerly united United States. But what do I know about the situation? I'm just an American.
lacampbell 10y ago
There's a lot of political will in Taiwan to change the constitution, but China has threatened war if that occurs, and the US is very lukewarm on it. So it's not as if the ROC is free to amend their own constitution - as doing so would negatively affect their national security. It's safer for them to keep up the ridiculous notion that they have sovereignty over Mongolia and parts of the Russian far east.
PhasmaFelis 10y ago
China lodged a formal complaint and warned of the "destr[uction of] Sino-US ties" because the US president admitted that the Taiwanese president spoke to him. If there's a reasonable party in all this, it is definitely not China. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-trumps-taiwan-phone-call-complaint-us https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-t...
- allenz 10y ago
  We are incredibly off topic, but I think it's a bit reductionist to call China unreasonable. China is, above all, pragmatic. The Taiwan situation is a farce, but the Communist Party has reasons to believe it necessary. Party sovereignty and legitimacy are based on defending Chinese independence and restoring national grandeur (强国梦) after colonial humiliation. Any change on the Taiwan issue could cause both separatist and nationalist forces to escalate out of control, potentially destabilizing the entire country. China really doesn't want to find out what might happen if countries start recognizing Taiwanese independence, so the US president poking at that bubble is seen as a threat. China responds with assertive words because fighting with words is better than fighting a war.

astrodust 10y ago

It would be rather peculiar if during the American Civil War the Confederates had retreated to something like Cuba and remained there to this day.

cestith 10y ago
There's a community of Confederate descendants in Brazil. Most of them have assimilated but a few live in ancestral lands. There's an annual festival and everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/welcome-to-americana-brazil-0000580-v22n2 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/welcome-to-americana-braz... There were also settlements in Belize and Mexico apparently. None of them lay claim to being independent nations and owning mainland US though. The ROC as I see it retreated into an enclave of the former whole China and was never fully vanquished from Chinese land. So it's really more like if the Union stopped fighting after the Confederacy was defeated in all but one breakaway state. Even more accurately, since the PRC were the rebels, it'd be like the Confederates took over all the Union states except, say, Pennsylvania and then the war came to a halt. The Pennsylvania redoubt of the US would still be the US and may or may not make claims to the rest of the formerly united United States. But what do I know about the situation? I'm just an American.

lacampbell 10y ago

There's a lot of political will in Taiwan to change the constitution, but China has threatened war if that occurs, and the US is very lukewarm on it. So it's not as if the ROC is free to amend their own constitution - as doing so would negatively affect their national security. It's safer for them to keep up the ridiculous notion that they have sovereignty over Mongolia and parts of the Russian far east.

PhasmaFelis 10y ago

China lodged a formal complaint and warned of the "destr[uction of] Sino-US ties" because the US president admitted that the Taiwanese president spoke to him. If there's a reasonable party in all this, it is definitely not China. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-trumps-taiwan-phone-call-complaint-us https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-t...

allenz 10y ago
We are incredibly off topic, but I think it's a bit reductionist to call China unreasonable. China is, above all, pragmatic. The Taiwan situation is a farce, but the Communist Party has reasons to believe it necessary. Party sovereignty and legitimacy are based on defending Chinese independence and restoring national grandeur (强国梦) after colonial humiliation. Any change on the Taiwan issue could cause both separatist and nationalist forces to escalate out of control, potentially destabilizing the entire country. China really doesn't want to find out what might happen if countries start recognizing Taiwanese independence, so the US president poking at that bubble is seen as a threat. China responds with assertive words because fighting with words is better than fighting a war.