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The upgrade might have been installed without the user agreeing to or seeing the EULA.

by yuhong 10y ago

vetinari 10y ago
Wasn't disagreeing with the Win 10 EULA on the first boot the last chance to rollback the installation?
- orionblastar 10y ago
  You got 30 days since the Win 10 upgrade to revert back to your old Windows before Win 10 deletes the uninstall files and backup data. Might be a factor in lawsuit. User is responsible to back up their own files on a periodic basis which might be another factor in the case.
  - kogepathic 10y ago
    > User is responsible to back up their own files on a periodic basis which might be another factor in the case. This. I understand the frustration around the Windows 10 upgrade program, and I agree that Microsoft was overzealous in pushing the upgrade. However, you had the choice to ignore the prompts and not install Windows 10. Yes, they were obtuse, but it was possible to avoid upgrading to Windows 10. It is always the user's responsibility to have a backup of their data. I also find it very difficult to believe the plaintiff's claims that Windows 10 caused hardware damage. It is extremely rare that an operating system would cause hardware damage. [0] Operating systems, especially ones as well tested as Windows, don't generally wreck hardware. I don't think Microsoft should be on the hook for third party drivers which were incompatible with Windows 10. [0] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/240309-apples-bootcamp-audio-driver-can-permanently-damage-speakers-new-macbook-pro https://www.extremetech.com/computing/240309-apples-bootcamp...
    - Macha 10y ago
      There was a period where closing the GWX dialog counted as consent. Imagine arriving to your computer after that and seeing the win 10 EULA and we have updated to Windows 10, please accept this eula or go through the time consuming and potentially unsuccessful rollback procedure. Hardly counts as uncorced
- vacri 10y ago
  I remember installing some version of windows (a server version? can't recall, but it was 2008-ish) that presented the EULA in a four-line-high window. Of course you just click through, but I went back later and found the text - it was 5000 words long! Yes, MS lawyers "expect" you to read 5000 words of technical legalese in a four-line window...
- yuhong 10y ago
  The damage might be done before the EULA is even displayed.

The upgrade might have been installed without the user agreeing to or seeing the EULA.

by yuhong 10y ago

The upgrade might have been installed without the user agreeing to or seeing the EULA.

vetinari 10y ago

Wasn't disagreeing with the Win 10 EULA on the first boot the last chance to rollback the installation?

orionblastar 10y ago
You got 30 days since the Win 10 upgrade to revert back to your old Windows before Win 10 deletes the uninstall files and backup data. Might be a factor in lawsuit. User is responsible to back up their own files on a periodic basis which might be another factor in the case.
- kogepathic 10y ago
  > User is responsible to back up their own files on a periodic basis which might be another factor in the case. This. I understand the frustration around the Windows 10 upgrade program, and I agree that Microsoft was overzealous in pushing the upgrade. However, you had the choice to ignore the prompts and not install Windows 10. Yes, they were obtuse, but it was possible to avoid upgrading to Windows 10. It is always the user's responsibility to have a backup of their data. I also find it very difficult to believe the plaintiff's claims that Windows 10 caused hardware damage. It is extremely rare that an operating system would cause hardware damage. [0] Operating systems, especially ones as well tested as Windows, don't generally wreck hardware. I don't think Microsoft should be on the hook for third party drivers which were incompatible with Windows 10. [0] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/240309-apples-bootcamp-audio-driver-can-permanently-damage-speakers-new-macbook-pro https://www.extremetech.com/computing/240309-apples-bootcamp...
  - Macha 10y ago
    There was a period where closing the GWX dialog counted as consent. Imagine arriving to your computer after that and seeing the win 10 EULA and we have updated to Windows 10, please accept this eula or go through the time consuming and potentially unsuccessful rollback procedure. Hardly counts as uncorced
vacri 10y ago
I remember installing some version of windows (a server version? can't recall, but it was 2008-ish) that presented the EULA in a four-line-high window. Of course you just click through, but I went back later and found the text - it was 5000 words long! Yes, MS lawyers "expect" you to read 5000 words of technical legalese in a four-line window...
yuhong 10y ago
The damage might be done before the EULA is even displayed.