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Google Wave was supposed to replace email. But actually they replaced email with gmail. Now you can't send email from your own server because it will be blackl
by ungzd 10y ago
Google Wave was supposed to replace email.
But actually they replaced email with gmail. Now you can't send email from your own server because it will be blacklisted on gmail by default and noone on gmail will receive these emails. So you have to use "cloud email providers". On Android they changed "Email" client to "Gmail" client.
- shmerl 10y ago> Now you can't send email from your own server because it will be blacklisted on gmail by default That's not correct. I tried sending e-mails using my own local SMTP server, and it comes to Gmail just fine. Not that it's a good idea in general.
- rhizome 10y agoWhy do you say it's not a good idea?
- shmerl 10y agoManaging your own server is in general pretty hard (for sending or receiving). Unless you want to invest a lot of time in security and so on. It's simply way overwhelming. And if you don't invest in security, you are inviting trouble.
- rhizome 10y agoSure. I've been running my own mail server for almost 20 years, but you seemed to imply that the bare act of sending email from a personal server to Gmail was a bad idea for some reason.
- tacon 10y agoI've been running my own email server since... forever. In 1985 it was uucp ! paths and sendmail. I got a "for real" domain just for email in 1993, still over uucp dialup. DSL always on in 1999. But it does become harder as time goes on.
- cortesoft 10y agoOn the list of computing tasks I do every day, running my email server is WAY down there on the list of difficulty. Email servers are probably even easier than web servers.
- shmerl 10y agoWhich doesn't necessarily mean you take necessary steps to seriously protect it. Or may be it means you are an expert and all that is trivial for you. But in general it's clearly not.
- cortesoft 10y agoI guess my point is that you need to know your audience. Here on HN, running your own server is not a rare skill.
- bigbugbag 10y agoEver heard of mail in a box[1] ? it does all this hard work for you. [1]: https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/
- throwaway6556 10y agoStop spreading FUD. I've been running my own email server for a year without delivery issues to Gmail or Outlook/Office 365. Just make sure your VPS IP is not blacklisted, and play the DKIM/etc game. You'll be fine.
- kuschku 10y agoIt’s not that easy. I’ve had proper DKIM, proper SPF, my IP wasn’t blacklisted anywhere. But I still ended up in Spam. So I had to send for about a year emails to friends every few days, replicating our discussions on WhatsApp etc (so they’d have organic content), and I’d ask them to mark them as "not spam". Now I end up in their normal Inbox. EDIT: Why the downvotes? Please comment instead what you think is wrong – or how else do you think I should get my personal domain trusted?
- 4ad 10y agoThat is correct, the age of the domain and the "not spam" click matter a lot. If you want a new domain and have little traffic (e.g. personal domain), you're fucked.
- deleted 10y ago[deleted]
- rhapsodic 10y ago> EDIT: Why the downvotes? Please comment instead what you think is wrong – or how else you think I should get my personal domain trusted enough? I don't understand the downvotes either. So I upvoted your comment to counteract them. I've found myself doing that more and more lately. I'll upvote a comment I disagree with if it was made politely and in good faith, and it appears to be getting downvoted unfairly.
- kuschku 10y agoUPDATE: In case someone ever wants to know more details about why my server failed verification, here are checks for that domain I took when changing DKIM keys last (today): http://i.imgur.com/9zqILRk.png http://i.imgur.com/9zqILRk.png https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3akuschku.de&run=toolpage https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3akusc... http://i.imgur.com/VIH4jlt.png http://i.imgur.com/VIH4jlt.png
- roblabla 10y agoI built my own mail server, and use it for every day communication. If you do everything correctly (mainly setting up DKIM and SPF), you get pretty much trusted by gmail automatically. You might have to make sure your IP address isn't already blacklisted, though I didn't have that problem.
- iMerNibor 10y agoMight have to give it a month or so to settle down aswell and instruct users to mark email as non-spam for automated emails (which helps)
- thiagoharry 10y agoSame here. My personal mail server is running for 4 years. Never had problems being blacklisted by gmail.
- ori_b 10y agoI have been running my own mail server with no problem.
- catdog 10y ago> Google Wave was supposed to replace email. At least Wave was an open protocol including federation, even based on XMPP in fact. It maybe was the last thing before Google transitioned into a mostly walled garden. > Now you can't send email from your own server because it will be blacklisted on gmail by default and noone on gmail will receive these emails. I run a small mail server for some years now, no issues sending to gmail.
- st3v3r 10y ago"On Android they changed "Email" client to "Gmail" client." No, they didn't. Those are two separate apps. The Email one is part of AOSP. The Gmail one is part of Google Apps. Although many OEMs roll their own email client, as part of their custom skin.
- jpindar 10y agoOn my Nexus 4, (Android 5.1.1), when I click on what used to be the email icon, I get a screen that says "Email has moved. The Gmail app now lets you view all of your email accounts." It has only one option (and a help link). That option is "TAKE ME TO THE GMAIL APP". How do I get to the plain email client?
- sliken 10y agoI run my own domain and mail server, no problems emailing major providers, including gmail.